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9月30号

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也就是两周前

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Google发布了Gemini

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4系列的第一个模型

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叫Gemini 4 Argon

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官方博客的标题写的是

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我们前沿智能的下一个时代

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署名是Koray Kavukcuoglu

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Google DeepMind的高级副总裁

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也是Google的首席AI架构师

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一个新的大版本

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第一批用户却不是开发者

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也不是付费会员

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而是一群做网络安全防御的人

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而且给他们的

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是拿掉了网络安全护栏的版本

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看官方原文这一句

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对于可信的防御方

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和Google内部团队

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我们会发布不带网络安全护栏的

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Argon前面还有一句

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Argon能自主发现

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验证修补关键的软件漏洞

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护栏简单来说

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就是模型遇到

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帮我攻破这个系统

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这类请求时会直接拒绝的限制

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拿掉以后

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它就能放开手去找漏洞

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去验证漏洞能不能被利用

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这批人是通过一个叫

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Fairwind的计划拿到的

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Google DeepMind说

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这个计划有650多个合作方

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优先给政府和国家级的网络安全机构

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还有医疗

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电信能源

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金融这些关键基础设施

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申请要审核

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要做背景调查

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不允许转卖访问权限

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也不允许拿它写恶意软件

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到了10月13号

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也就是昨天

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第二批用户才开放

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付费的API用户

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还有Gemini App里Pro和

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Ultra的订阅用户

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那么它到底强不强

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Google放出了一张对比表拿Argon

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和三个对手比

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OpenAI的GPT-6 Astra

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Anthropic的Claude Fable 5.1

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和Claude Opus 5.5

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一共19项测试

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Argon拿了14项第一

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赢得最明显的是两类

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第一类是法律

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金融这种企业里的知识工作

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比如说律所Harvey出的法律Agent

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测试Argon拿了百分之19.6

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GPT-6 Astra只有百分之5.4

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差不多是三倍半

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不过绝对分数还不到百分之20

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十个法律任务

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也就做对两个

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第二类是超长的材料

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在25万到100万token这个长度上

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Argon是百分之84.2

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对手都在百分之72以下

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token可以理解成模型读文字的单位

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材料越长

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它和别家拉开的差距就越大

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不过这张表里

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也写着它输了5项像

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Terminal-bench

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OSWorld都是让模型自己在终端里

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在电脑上动手干活的测试

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这几项Argon输给了Claude Opus

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5.5和GPT-6 Astra

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Terminal-bench这一项

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Opus是百分之66.4

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Argon是百分之57.4

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落后9分

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官方把输的几项也老老实实列了出来

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这一点挺难得的

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写代码这块

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Google主推的是DeepSWE

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测的是周期很长的软件工程任务

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Argon百分之77.9

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GPT-6 Astra和Opus都是74出头

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领先了但领先不到4分

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第三方的结果

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目前只有Artificial Analysis一家

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他们把10项测试合成一个综合智能分

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Argon拿了53分

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和GPT-6 Astra一样

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可以看到

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图上绿色箭头指的就是Argon

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但排在它前面的

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还有三个

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分别是Opus 5.5是58分

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Sonnet 5.5是56分

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Fable 5.1也是53分

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Argon真正占优势的地方

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是成本跑完这一整套测试

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Argon花了2407美元

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GPT-6 Astra花了5324美元

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也就是说

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同样的分数

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花的钱不到一半

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接下来给大家看一个容易被忽略的

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变化就是输出的上限

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以前Gemini一次最多输出6万

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4千个token

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这次直接提到了100万

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差不多16倍

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官方的说法是

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模型有了足够的空间

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就能一口气想得更深

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把难题一次做完

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不过要注意的是默认的最大输出

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还是65536

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要专门打开一个叫long decode的长

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解码模式

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才能到100万

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而且这100万是输入和输出共用的

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那Google自己拿它干了些什么

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官方举了三个例子

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第一个一组Argon智能体去分析

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Google全公司数据中心的运行数据

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自己找出内存能优化的地方

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自己改掉

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全部上线以后

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释放了超过300 TB的内存

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相当于差不多一万台

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32G内存的电脑加在一起

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第二个优化量子算法里的一段程序

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几分钟时间

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就比已经发表的方案好了百分之40

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第三个把C和

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C++写的老代码迁移成Rust

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Rust

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是一种不容易出内存漏洞的编程语言

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其中有一个视频解码器

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迁移完以后

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比之前人写的Rust版本快了2.7倍

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再回到网络安全

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为什么这次要先给防守方看这张

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漏洞修复的排行榜

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叫CWE-bench

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Argon是百分之68

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并列第一

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并列的还有两个

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xAI的Grok 4.7

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和GPT-6 Astra

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也就是说

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在找漏洞这件事上

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几家顶级模型已经差不多站在

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同一个水平了

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这样的话

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关键就不是有没有模型能找到漏洞

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而是谁先用上

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Google的思路是

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让防守的人先拿到最强的版本

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赶在攻击者用上同级别的模型之前

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把漏洞先补上

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官方举了个例子

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安全公司Wiz用Argon做扫描

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在全球医院都在用的一款医疗软件里

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找到了一个会泄露个人敏感信息的

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严重漏洞

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之前的前沿模型都没发现

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这里有一个背景

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9月19号

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就在Argon发布前11天

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半岛电视台跟进了华尔街日报的报道

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Google的Gemini在安全测试里

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入侵了三家公司

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然后停了下来

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原因是测试环境配置出了错

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模型能连上真实的互联网

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一次是猜对了密码

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另外两次

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用的是网上公开泄露的账号凭据

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Google说

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每次都在完成之前停住了

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这不算模型失控

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但这件事至少说明

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这一代模型的攻防能力

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已经强到会在真实世界里出事故了

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我觉得这也是Google这次这么

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谨慎的原因

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官方博客里有一句话

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要安全地放出这种级别的能力

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必须分阶段来

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最后说说普通人怎么用要花多少钱

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Gemini App这边

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Pro和Ultra的订阅用户

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从昨天开始就能用上

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Google说它回答问题更直接

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少了车轱辘话

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另外Gemini的Mac版

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现在可以直接切到写代码的界面

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聊天也可以一键切换成任务模式

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你人不在电脑前

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它也能接着干

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API这边要注意

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免费层用不了

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价格是每一百万个token

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输入2美元

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输出10美元

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但这是限时价

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12月1号开始翻倍

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变成4美元和20美元

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就算翻倍以后

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也只有GPT-6 Astra的百分之40

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综合来说

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Argon不是全面第一

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让模型自己操作电脑

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在终端里干活

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它还落后于Claude和GPT

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它真正强的是三件事读很长的材料

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处理法律

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金融这种企业文档

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还有找漏洞

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再加上价格不到OpenAI的一半

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如果你的工作是整理大量文档

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做长篇的分析

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它值得一试想自己验证的话

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有个很简单的办法

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找一份你手头最长的资料

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几百页的合同也好

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一整年的财报也好

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整份丢给它

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问一个需要前后对照才能回答的问题

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再拿同一个问题

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去问你现在在用的模型

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哪个答得对

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马上就清楚了

