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"不斷地跟國對比,我們感覺真的是中國和日本差的太大了。\n我們有時候也會不理解說日本為什麼會是這樣。\n你發現沒有,中國這些年日本史的書翻譯的很多。\n為什麼討論大政民主？為什麼會走向戰爭？你想他是在討論日本嗎？\n其實他是中國問題意識在起作用。\n但是我们过去太多的强调\n中国和日本同文同种\n一衣帶水\n其实我觉得现在更应该强调的是\n中国和日本\n它有什么样的结构性差异\n而且导致了后来的路径不同\n对您来说\n这种最结构性的差异是什么\n我们从政治文化角度讲\n我们一直在讨论说\n中国古代政权的合法性\n是所谓神兽王权\n这一方面日本有的\n除了极少极少的\n比如说足利義滿這個時代以外\n日本從來不是中國的朝貢圈\n没有这个供奉关系\n他文化上虽然接受也很多\n但是他一直有一种疏离的意识\n尤其是在13世纪\n蒙古襲來刺激了他所謂神國的觀念\n蒙古连汉族中国都灭掉了\n还灭不掉我\n但是有一个东西日本没有\n中國認為呢\n合法性要以德配之\n要有德\n没有德\n我推翻你\n所以中国是承认汤武革命的\n所以中国就不断的朝代变更\n而是凡是朝代变更\n就包装自己说\n我是有德\n我才得到你这个位置\n日本没有的\n天皇永远是天皇\n只要有点学术性\n万事一系\n好\n这里面又带来第二个问题\n日本天皇没有绝对的权利\n对于国家的控制\n不是严丝合缝\n滴水不漏的\n日本不可能推行\n像中国那样的郡县制\n反而日本是封建制\n中国书同文\n书同文\n车同轨\n都得一模一样\n好\n这个带来一个什么问题\n要颠覆\n整体的颠覆\n总是革命\n不断革命\n再往下想\n第三个差别就来了\n咱们中国是文化从上到下\n政治管理组织从上到下\n长沙走马楼吴简\n你就看到最底下最底下的户\n劳动力人口\n他都登记的\n收你的税\n像我过去在贵州的苗族地区\n过去是土司制的\n就跟封建大名一样的\n改土归流\n成为编户齐民\n再加上中国儒家教育非常发达\n所以一直渗透到底下\n可是日本底下都大名管着\n老百姓根本就不听你的\n所以日本能保留文化\n它的很多文化的象征物\n都是从很早很早保留下来\n不像我们破丝就破掉了\n这就变成了一个中国的传统\n和日本的传统的不一样\n再接下来还有一个问题\n宗教\n日本思想史的主轴\n是王权对神佛\n是两极\n中国不是的\n中国王权和神佛是垂直关系\n中国历史上有僧总统\n道总统\n或者叫僧统道统\n政府任命的和尚道士来管\n这个是咱们中国传统\n一直到现在\n你看我认识一些和尚\n拿名片出来\n处级\n正处级和尚\n你日本的僧人神职人员\n你去看\n他不归政府\n过去比瑞山的严历寺\n是有兵的\n有军队的\n我们除了历史上传说的\n少林十八棍僧之外\n哪里看到四和尚庙里面有军队\n连刀枪都不敢藏一个\n而且日本人对宗教信仰的虔诚\n跟中国什么\n中国宗教因为没有神圣权利\n没有绝对性\n所以信仰者也不那么虔诚\n鲁迅讲得最好，说\n中国的佛教信仰\n道教的信仰就等於是買股票\n是希望将来的股票升值赚大钱的\n所以宗教不一样\n日本过去有一个非常非常有名的学者\n叫做黑田俊雄\n他其實也是講王權與神佛\n他认为日本思想史\n就围绕着这两极的摆动\n影响到各种文化\n我觉得这个总结应该是比较可靠的\n你搞哲学的\n搞文学的\n为了提倡人类之爱\n你应该讲这个文化和那个文化很像\n和大家都有共同性\n但是作为研究历史的人\n可能更多的是讲它不一样\n如果你太多的强调一样\n你没法解释中国和日本\n为什么在后来现代化的道路\n最后的结果是不一样的\n所以日本呢\n它跟中国的差异\n其实并不来自于思想的差异\n而是來自它背後的語境\n也就是政治和社会的差异性\n决定了它思想的不同\n所以我们一直就讲\n思想史並不完全是只是單純地\n就思想探討思想\n它实际上是背后的政治和社会\n影响特别大\n嗯\n我在街上裝樣子裝得可以吧\n你这个对贵阳感觉怎么样\n我很喜欢贵阳\n而且我喜欢看他们冬天动不动\n路边上一堆人在烤火\n我说这别的城市都没有\n没有没有\n而且还是挺有野性的\n对\n黔片牛肉\n我想她以前是贵州日报的\n1967年4月的一張報紙\n上面有我写的一首诗\n真的 初九 初三\n你發表的詞彙不是很轟動嗎\n有点轰动 因为我后来在台里\n17岁的时候当了第一把手编剧\n整個前東南文工團演出一個大型歌舞劇\n当了一把编剧\n那时候我高光时刻\n第一个高光时刻\n那时候的名声什么感觉\n到处都有饭吃\n所以是很实惠的\n小心\n我们在这儿吃\n好 挺好的\n他们吃过了\n哥老师 你想吃哪个\n青片牛肉\n好\n要一个青片牛肉粉\n加肉吗\n不要加肉\n鸡蛋吗\n我那个红烧牛肉粉加个鸡蛋\n来 哥老师\n好 谢谢\n您反而不是很能吃辣的是吧\n现在眼睛做手术不行\n當之前的時候到飯店把這辣椒吃\n我们那时候啊\n堵\n还堵吗\n堵什么呢\n沒有。上面全是油的，一翻出來。結果我55秒就出完了。\n就白吃了一罐。我們那時候笑話百出,為什麼呢?\n大田的時候一年你才吃到一兩回豬肉\n就是饥饿\n不赖你\n我太太就特别烦我\n总是好像说要吃饭\n而且那好像非得要吃\n有肉\n我加一份牛肉\n行啊你\n我加一份牛肉好吧\n誤道員\n你要误道是吗\n误道\n那你玩呗\n您最早接触到王阳明什么时候\n在知青的时候\n不就有一本《明儒學案》\n就在那看的吗\n其实我们想\n王阳明到农场这个地方的时候\n心情肯定特别糟糕\n被流放到这儿了\n就是說正德皇帝一上台\n第一個脫了褲子打屁股的\n就是王阳明\n就这么大的羞辱\n对\n以前因為朱元璋當然也廷杖\n但是沒有說去小衣的\n还有内裤\n还穿着里面的裤子\n當時王陽明是怎麼得罪他的\n王阳明是写一个什么东西\n救一个什么人\n结果就得对了皇帝\n你说这有多大个事\n結果搞了第一個脫衣廷杖的人\n居然是王阳明\n所以他就跑到这边来了\n看看这个\n这差别太大了\n您怎么解释为什么好像这些年王阳明突然变得这么热起来\n做商业的什么各行业的人\n就是说过去对王阳明最强调的就是说他心即理\n心外无理\n宇宙就是心\n完全是从那个形而上\n那这几年呢\n有一个很大的变化\n就说王阳明\n是代表了儒家传统的一个\n非常重要的转折\n宋代以前\n基本上知识分子是认为说\n要得君行道\n然后我们把我们的理想实现出来\n可是到了王阳明\n就发现了一个根本的转变\n叫做觉民行道\n就是启发民众来\n实现我的理想\n为什么呢\n就是这个事\n皇帝打了板子\n对皇帝已经很失望了\n丢掉幻想\n丢掉幻想\n深入群众\n就是我后来有一段时间\n非常仔细的去看\n嘉靖六年到嘉靖七年\n他最后死前这两年\n心情仍然不好\n就说皇帝根本不相信我\n幸好王阳明会教学生\n他一大帮好学生\n学生的学生\n后来最后当了大官了\n结果就万历皇帝的时候终于名正言顺的平反了\n而且进入孔庙祭祀\n这个厉害了\n所以王阳明活着的时候\n心情不怎么好\n你们看看那样子\n尤其在这段经历\n尤其不好\n这段时间心情是最不好的时候\n所以误导\n这个是特意放的烟雾弹\n咱们有这么好的待遇吗\n这修的还真是漂亮\n它是让您兴奋的思想人物吗\n应该不能特别算\n特别注意它主要是因为它的后续效果\n无意中它可能启发了很多别的东西\n你比如说我们现在讲世界主义\n那王阳明继承了陆九渊\n他们讲东海西海 心同理同\n这个话后来成了中国接受外来文化的一个非常大的精神资源\n就是说你不能够把真理分成东西\n东海的真理西海的真理都应该是真理\n给了一种合法性\n一个巨大的合法性\n他进行了一次思想解放\n他也是不那么想\n但是无意中造成\n无意中造成\n咱们有好多这种歪打正着的这种东西\n你比如说\n我以前看晚清佛教的书\n晚清佛教的书帮助中国人理解两个道理\n一个是为什么植物会有叶绿素\n诗经里面和佛教里面的书都说\n齐叶废废\n叶子就像废\n他就说对\n西洋人讲的光合作用叶绿素很对\n这是一个\n还有《华言经》里面讲\n风轮转地轮\n地轮转火轮\n不错\n果然是地球\n地球核心里面是有火\n外面是有大氣層的\n幫助接受現代地理學\n天文学\n但是这种附会\n是全世界都有这种思维方式\n因为它要从自己熟悉的出发\n问题是这样\n咱们中国是一个有整体主义\n接受外来知识的\n是吧\n它必须得想个道理出来\n你比如说我现在最通俗的意思\n我现在特别想知道什么叫元宇宙\n你能不能给我一个通俗的说法\n这是桃花源\n他在这悟到了吗\n那咱们就悟一下\n中国古代对洞\n都有一些特别的想象\n你看那个桃花源跟着流水进了一个洞\n然后出了那个洞就是另外一个不知未进的\n对 元宇宙就是桃花园\n元宇宙就是桃花园\n等于是给每个人一个桃花园的入口\n哇 真是\n就是这个地方\n奇境\n但是里面有多深\n还好\n没多深\n等于是在贵州\n贵州卡斯特地貌里面\n钻出了\n对\n真是别有洞天\n通到另一個宇宙去了\n另外一个宇宙去了\n通到游客止步\n你看此路不通\n说明这个洞大部分都是骗人的\n还并没有什么特别感觉\n有什么特别感觉吗\n我特別感覺就是他那时候可能在这生活还可以\n这个瓷糖也还可以\n张学良那待过\n有意思\n时间不长\n感慨\n又是一个被流芳者\n这俩人干嘛\n张学良 赵四小姐\n估计是\n赵斯小姐\n她被軟禁在這\n时间不长\n我听过一段网上流传的\n张先生讲英文口音好重\n但是他能讲也不错\n他去歐洲旅行嗎\n不是 他去西洋\n在欧洲旅行\n我们也去过欧洲旅行\n你要我讲 我也讲不出\n就讲不出多好\n培养元气\n在中國這種思想文化傳統裡面,流放佔你的位置,是不是王仁揚挺核心的?\n應該是。\n古代講九行,它流行是一個古代中國攀土重泉。\n對於流放的恐懼的傳統是比較厲害\n大家都认为\n把他放逐到一个边缘的\n或者不太好的地方\n也是对他一种惩罚\n比如說王昌齡放逐到夜郎\n就是现在咱们这地方\n我们这个地方\n是流放\n是啊\n这是流放者之乡\n王阳明就\n对也是流放\n但是流放再造了他\n你说是那么说\n我们很多搞历史的人\n最容易犯这个错误\n总是后见之明\n我觉得是事后追忆的结果\n比如王阳明没有凭江西平定南贛之亂\n和广西大藤峽成為大人物\n他是不是能够后来说\n悟道的这个地方\n是他一生的转折\n造就了王阳明的思想学术\n我们现在有很多是倒着说的\n我如果那时候没考上大学\n在供销社里面干着\n后来当个小科长\n也还要说生活也不错\n可是下乡那三年对我什么作用\n没什么作用\n包括咱们坐在这\n我还是想问您\n比如说对于一个中国思想史上的一个门外汉\n听到这种词\n什么心与理\n知行合一\n就是怎么把它放到历史框架中理解\n比如后来人这么多的人会感兴趣\n带着这么大的轰动\n很多所谓的原来本来简单的道理\n没有那么玄乎\n后来的人都要把它讲得越来越深刻\n原来孔子没那么玄乎\n结果你们就把孔子解释成了\n好像思想深刻的包容现代性的\n那还得了\n就是加上了很多自己的体会\n甚至有时候那种体会是不对的\n完全離奇的\n最典型的一个例子\n朱熹\n朱熹接到宋孝宗的命令让他出山\n非常兴奋就写了一首诗\n埋头书册无了日\n不如抛雀去寻春\n其实朱熹和陆九渊是好朋友\n就是陆九渊跟他讲\n这下好了\n你总算见到皇帝了\n可以直接把你的意见\n告诉皇帝了\n朱熹高兴了嘛\n埋头书册无了日\n不如抛却去寻春\n我要出山了\n不就这意思吗\n可是被他们解释成\n朱熹受陆九渊的影响\n他把客观唯心主义\n逐渐转向主观唯心主义了\n不去寻找知识\n寻求真理\n而是直接的去触摸世界\n就像胡塞尔说的\n我直接面对现象\n有那么悬浮吗\n我觉得现在的\n好多这种\n所谓理论家的\n他的毛病就是想太多了\n想的想的都不是人家的\n是你自己的了\n理论绕过来\n绕过去\n结果反而是跟事实根本一巴掌\n所以历史学家不能搞文学\n你要是说诗歌让我们这些人一剪\n又剪完了\n剪得一塌糊涂\n就有点像拿X光机看美人\n那点暧昧朦胧都没了\n这是搞历史的坏处\n可是我们过去\n因为很多做思想史的人\n是搞哲学的地方\n他们不爱讲历史\n或者说把历史语境跟思想剥离开\n对 脱开\n所以我们现在觉得他们做的很说服不了人\n但是他们又很恨我们这种做法\n就是说你们这种做法等于是把思想降低了\n把思想庸俗化\n还会觉得是吧\n都是跟现实利益\n跟什么生活处境\n跟他甚至吃喝玩乐都连在一起了\n所以我在思想史里面\n包括讲先秦两汉\n我写得好像很多人批判我说\n写得很简单\n那么简单\n天哪\n那深刻的都是你加上去的\n包括您写的时候\n怎么去想象他们的思想世界\n以及生活世界的关系\n实际上就是一句话\n就是说\n重建当时他的生活环境\n这个就给我们带来很多艰难的任务\n就是说你要看非常多\n你心里面至少要有那个感觉说\n那个时代不是跟现在不一样的\n然后那个时候他能够接触什么\n甚至包括他吃什么什么\n这都要考虑\n就是对他后来的思想的理解\n增加了一个语境\n对 但比如说\n开始动笔写这么这样的书的时候\n这是个浩瀚的工程\n这么长的一段历史\n哪个时期你写的时候特别兴奋\n那个时段特别灿烂\n有意思\n很难说\n因为比如说1895\n其实我们早就有个看法\n中国的近代史不应该开始于鸦片战争\n真正根基的撼动和整体向西转\n是1894 1895被日本打败\n才觉得是七尺大陆\n才开始有转变\n最巨大的羞辱\n最巨大的羞辱\n跟王阳明一样\n被人家脱了裤子打屁股\n他就要根本的去想问题\n说我再也不能依靠皇帝了\n又比如说\n我写那个盛世的评用\n我就很得意\n也很兴奋\n或者说觉得过去\n没有人这么讲\n填补一个\n好像是一个空白\n我们看所有的\n中国哲学史\n中国思想史\n唐初到盛唐\n618年到755年\n都空了\n为了填补这一块\n有些人拼命发掘唯心主义\n但是都不像样子\n我就想到了一个说法\n就是说盛世是平庸的\n因為才學都用在寫詩歌上\n沒有那個吃過苦\n没有流放过\n没有产生危机感\n没有一个思想深刻的\n所以我还特意在前面\n写方法论的时候\n写了一段叫做\n无画处也是画\n我们能不能写一个没有思想的思想史\n所谓没有思想是指的没有精英的思想\n或者说没有特别天才的\n其实你看我们关注民众\n你說昨天我們到大田\n你像老海他们这样的人\n他代表了相當大成人大的人\n你比如说他对他的药\n今天早上我还给他看那个药\n后来叫人去买了\n他有多少思想\n但是他的焦虑反不反应这个时代\n反不反应这个时代\n一个普遍观念\n其实很多人\n就是做学问的人\n可能他就不关心\n可是你思想史如果缺了这一段\n那算什么呢\n这就是我们的问题\n我们其实当时写盛世的平庸的时候\n其实脑子里面想的就是这个\n现实的有呼应的\n对\n所以最后我的思想史出来以后\n批评的也很多\n罵的最多的就是说\n你为什么要去写什么一般的思想知识和信仰\n一般哪有思想\n精英才有思想\n有些人他根本就没体会到\n他要是像我那么在大田待过就行了\n其实我当然看\n最喜欢看你写的一般的思想信仰那块\n我觉得有意思\n你如果是真的去接触过\n接过地气\n就跟他们的感觉就不一样\n另外就是说\n最早是我给学生讲课\n我一觉得他们学思想史语\n这好像都很差\n我心想那怎么行\n所以我就说我自己来讲\n结果就一边写一边讲\n而且我那个时候写思想史的时候\n其实心中一个很明显的搏斗的目标\n有一个假想敌的其实\n因为它笼罩性太强了\n可是你把它解放出来怎么办\n所有的大学生都在学的\n摄像是都是学的\n跟王阳明要从柱子里面解放是差不多的\n都一招\n王阳明最后也没解放成\n我们大概最后也要解放成\n就还是去了\n是吧\n还是对\n他下的地方叫大猫山\n就是以前老虎出没的地方\n第一次分到这个村子是什么感觉\n是怎么过来当时\n我们坐大卡车\n可是车只能开到大田\n后面的10里路到白纳的那帮人就得走路\n因为我是坏分子\n反革命分子\n而是国家的大田要人监管\n要看着\n对\n你当时带什么行李机的吧\n很简单嘛\n被子 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