'WOKE 1 WAS CRAZY': AOC distances herself from Francesca Hong

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THE D.S.A. IS EYEING ANOTHER
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THANK YOU.
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SO THE DSA IS EYEING ANOTHER WIN
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TODAY, THIS TIME IN WISCONSIN
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GOVERNOR'S RACE.
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AOC IS NOT BACKING FRANCESCA
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HONG.
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>> FRANCESCA HONG HAS MADE CLEAR
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HER PRESENT STANCES TO HER
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ELECTORATE.
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SHE'S MOVED AWAY FROM IT.
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I HAVE A LOCAL CITY COUNCILMAN
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THAT HAS THIS SAYING, WOKE ONE
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WAS CRAZY.
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>> TOO FAR WITH SOME POSITIONS?
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YOU BRIEFLY SUPPORTED DEFUNDING
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THE POLICE.
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>> I THINK THAT DURING LOCKDOWN,
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RHETORIC IN THAT TIME IS NOT
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RHETORIC WE WOULD USE TODAY.
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>> Charlie: JOINING US IS "NEW
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YORK POST" COLUMNIST CAROL
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MARKOSHGWITZ.
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WOKE ONE WAS CRAZY, THAT WILL
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WAS A TURNING POINT THERE.
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WOKE HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED,
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REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN
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TRIED THAT IS WHAT AOC HAS
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TRIED.
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HAS SHE CHANGED ON DEFUNDING
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POLICE?
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NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT, NEVER
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TALKED ABOUT HER CHANGE IN
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POLICY OR THINKING.
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I THINK SHE'S STILL THE SAME
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COMMUNIST, THEY HAVE LEARNED TO
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MASSAGE IT A BIT.
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>> Charlie: DO YOU THINK THIS IS
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SHE'S ABOUT TO SELLOUT
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THE DSA AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
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ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HER OR IS SHE
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FLAT OUT LYING AND JUST
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SOMETHING SHE'S SAYING?
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>> I THINK SHE'S LOOKING FOR
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HIGHER OFFICE AND WILL DO
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WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THERE.
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SHE IS MODERATING HOW SHE
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SPEAKS.
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SHE HAS NOT CHANGED POLICY, IT
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IS ONLY THE RHETORIC SHE'S
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CHANGING.
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>> Charlie: WHAT IS CRAZY AND
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ENRAGING WHEN YOU STOP AND
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IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK
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AT THAT RHETORIC FROM WOKE ONE,
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ONE, SHE WAS SPOUTING AT THE
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AT THE TIME, PEOPLE DURING SUMMER OF
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LOVE, PEOPLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS
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WERE BURNED DOWN.
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PEOPLE LOST LOCAL PHARMACIES,
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LOST LIVES, WOKE ONE WAS CRAZY,
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SHE LAUGHS AND GIGGLES ABOUT, IT
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WAS VERY DAMAGING TO PEOPLE.
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>> THAT IS RIGHT, HOW ABOUT
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CANCEL CULTURE, RUINING LIVES,
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SHE WANTED TO GET RID OF PRISON,
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WE WANT TO DEFUND POLICE, THIS
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IS NOT JUST SOMETHING WE SAY.
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ALL THE KIDS CAUGHT UP IN THE
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TRANS INSANITY IS AT HER FEET.
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IF YOU ASK HER POSITION TODAY,
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THEY WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT,
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SHE'S JUST LEARNED A BETTER WAY
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TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
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>> Charlie: SHE SMELLED POWER
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AND THINKS SHE WILL GO THE
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DISTANCE AND GOING TO SAY
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WHATEVER SHE HAS TO IN ORDER TO
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GET FULL CONTROL OF TH
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DSA正覬覦另一場
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謝謝。
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所以DSA正覬覦另一場勝利
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今天，這次是在威斯康辛州
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州長選舉。
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AOC並未支持Francesca
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洪。
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>>Francesca Hong已明確
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她目前的立場對她
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選民表明立場。
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她已與此劃清界線。
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我認識一位當地市議員
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他說，「Woke One」
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太瘋狂了。
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>>某些立場是否太過火？
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你曾短暫支持削減
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警方預算。
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>>我認為在封城期間，
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當時的修辭並非
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並非我們今天會使用的說法。
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>>Charlie：與我們同在的是《紐約郵報》專欄作家Carol
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約克郵報》專欄作家卡羅爾
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「Woke One」太瘋狂了，那將
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在那裡成為一個轉捩點。
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「Woke」從未受審，
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真正的共產主義也從未
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受審，這就是AOC所
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嘗試過，這就是AOC所
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她是否在削減
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警方預算上有所改變？
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從未談過，也從未
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談過她政策或思維的轉變。
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我認為她仍是同樣的
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共產主義者，他們已學會
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稍微修飾一下。
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>>Charlie：你認為這是否
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意味著她即將背叛
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DSA以及那些對
1:19.266–1:21.500
她即將背叛
1:21.500–1:24.300
DSA以及那些
1:24.300–1:26.333
對她感到熱情，還是她
1:26.333–1:28.300
完全在撒謊，只是
1:28.300–1:29.700
她所說的話？
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>> 我認為她在尋求
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更高的職位，並且會不擇手段
1:32.916–1:35.983
無論需要什麼來達到目標。
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她正在調整她的
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言論方式。
1:40.283–1:43.316
她的政策並沒有改變，
1:43.316–1:45.916
只是她改變了
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修辭手法。
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>> Charlie：瘋狂且
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令人憤怒的是，當你停下腳步
1:49.583–1:50.783
回顧並查看
1:50.783–1:52.533
來自 Woke One 的修辭，
1:52.533–1:55.200
當時她一直在高談闊論，
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當時，在夏日之愛的期間，
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愛，人們的社區
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全被燒毀
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人們失去了當地藥房，
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失去了生命，Woke One 很瘋狂，
2:06.683–2:09.083
她對此笑著咯咯笑，這
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對人們造成了很大的損害。
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沒錯，那麼
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取消文化，毀掉人生，
2:15.450–2:17.983
她希望廢除監獄制度
2:17.983–2:20.150
我們要削減警察預算，這
2:20.150–2:21.983
不只是我們說說而已。
2:21.983–2:25.300
所有被捲入的兒童
2:25.300–2:28.433
跨性別狂熱的孩子們都在她腳下。
2:28.433–2:30.166
如果你問她今天的立場，
2:30.166–2:31.766
他們不會有任何不同，
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她只是學會了更好的方式
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來談論他們。
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>> Charlie：她嗅到了權力，
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認為她會堅持到底，並且會說
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任何她必須說的話，以便
2:40.800–2:42.850
無論她必須做什麼以
2:42.850–2:44.050
的全面控制
0:00.000–0:02.620
THE D.S.A. IS EYEING ANOTHER
DSA正覬覦另一場
0:02.620–0:04.716
THANK YOU.
謝謝。
0:04.716–0:07.383
SO THE DSA IS EYEING ANOTHER WIN
所以DSA正覬覦另一場勝利
0:07.383–0:09.066
TODAY, THIS TIME IN WISCONSIN
今天，這次是在威斯康辛州
0:09.066–0:10.200
GOVERNOR'S RACE.
州長選舉。
0:10.200–0:13.533
AOC IS NOT BACKING FRANCESCA
AOC並未支持Francesca
0:13.533–0:14.833
HONG.
洪。
0:14.833–0:17.000
>> FRANCESCA HONG HAS MADE CLEAR
>>Francesca Hong已明確
0:17.000–0:21.366
HER PRESENT STANCES TO HER
她目前的立場對她
0:21.366–0:22.099
ELECTORATE.
選民表明立場。
0:22.099–0:23.766
SHE'S MOVED AWAY FROM IT.
她已與此劃清界線。
0:23.766–0:26.350
I HAVE A LOCAL CITY COUNCILMAN
我認識一位當地市議員
0:26.350–0:28.450
THAT HAS THIS SAYING, WOKE ONE
他說，「Woke One」
0:28.450–0:29.950
WAS CRAZY.
太瘋狂了。
0:29.950–0:32.116
>> TOO FAR WITH SOME POSITIONS?
>>某些立場是否太過火？
0:32.116–0:35.650
YOU BRIEFLY SUPPORTED DEFUNDING
你曾短暫支持削減
0:35.650–0:36.616
THE POLICE.
警方預算。
0:36.616–0:40.383
>> I THINK THAT DURING LOCKDOWN,
>>我認為在封城期間，
0:40.383–0:42.433
RHETORIC IN THAT TIME IS NOT
當時的修辭並非
0:42.433–0:44.866
RHETORIC WE WOULD USE TODAY.
並非我們今天會使用的說法。
0:44.866–0:46.533
>> Charlie: JOINING US IS "NEW
>>Charlie：與我們同在的是《紐約郵報》專欄作家Carol
0:46.533–0:53.833
YORK POST" COLUMNIST CAROL
約克郵報》專欄作家卡羅爾
0:53.933–0:54.800
MARKOSHGWITZ.
「Woke One」太瘋狂了，那將
0:54.800–0:56.400
WOKE ONE WAS CRAZY, THAT WILL
在那裡成為一個轉捩點。
0:56.400–0:58.133
WAS A TURNING POINT THERE.
「Woke」從未受審，
0:58.133–1:00.216
WOKE HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED,
真正的共產主義也從未
1:00.216–1:02.116
REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN
受審，這就是AOC所
1:02.116–1:04.516
TRIED THAT IS WHAT AOC HAS
嘗試過，這就是AOC所
1:04.516–1:05.016
TRIED.
她是否在削減
1:05.016–1:06.950
HAS SHE CHANGED ON DEFUNDING
警方預算上有所改變？
1:06.950–1:07.450
POLICE?
從未談過，也從未
1:07.450–1:09.050
NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT, NEVER
談過她政策或思維的轉變。
1:09.050–1:10.517
TALKED ABOUT HER CHANGE IN
我認為她仍是同樣的
1:10.517–1:11.650
POLICY OR THINKING.
共產主義者，他們已學會
1:11.650–1:13.883
I THINK SHE'S STILL THE SAME
稍微修飾一下。
1:13.883–1:15.866
COMMUNIST, THEY HAVE LEARNED TO
>>Charlie：你認為這是否
1:15.866–1:16.900
MASSAGE IT A BIT.
意味著她即將背叛
1:16.900–1:19.266
>> Charlie: DO YOU THINK THIS IS
DSA以及那些對
1:19.266–1:21.500
SHE'S ABOUT TO SELLOUT
她即將背叛
1:21.500–1:24.300
THE DSA AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
DSA以及那些
1:24.300–1:26.333
ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HER OR IS SHE
對她感到熱情，還是她
1:26.333–1:28.300
FLAT OUT LYING AND JUST
完全在撒謊，只是
1:28.300–1:29.700
SOMETHING SHE'S SAYING?
她所說的話？
1:29.700–1:31.233
>> I THINK SHE'S LOOKING FOR
>> 我認為她在尋求
1:31.233–1:32.916
HIGHER OFFICE AND WILL DO
更高的職位，並且會不擇手段
1:32.916–1:35.983
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THERE.
無論需要什麼來達到目標。
1:35.983–1:39.783
SHE IS MODERATING HOW SHE
她正在調整她的
1:39.783–1:40.283
SPEAKS.
言論方式。
1:40.283–1:43.316
SHE HAS NOT CHANGED POLICY, IT
她的政策並沒有改變，
1:43.316–1:45.916
IS ONLY THE RHETORIC SHE'S
只是她改變了
1:45.916–1:46.516
CHANGING.
修辭手法。
1:46.516–1:48.116
>> Charlie: WHAT IS CRAZY AND
>> Charlie：瘋狂且
1:48.116–1:49.583
ENRAGING WHEN YOU STOP AND
令人憤怒的是，當你停下腳步
1:49.583–1:50.783
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK
回顧並查看
1:50.783–1:52.533
AT THAT RHETORIC FROM WOKE ONE,
來自 Woke One 的修辭，
1:52.533–1:55.200
ONE, SHE WAS SPOUTING AT THE
當時她一直在高談闊論，
1:55.200–1:57.200
AT THE TIME, PEOPLE DURING SUMMER OF
當時，在夏日之愛的期間，
1:57.200–1:58.933
LOVE, PEOPLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS
愛，人們的社區
1:58.933–2:00.166
WERE BURNED DOWN.
全被燒毀
2:00.166–2:03.166
PEOPLE LOST LOCAL PHARMACIES,
人們失去了當地藥房，
2:03.166–2:06.683
LOST LIVES, WOKE ONE WAS CRAZY,
失去了生命，Woke One 很瘋狂，
2:06.683–2:09.083
SHE LAUGHS AND GIGGLES ABOUT, IT
她對此笑著咯咯笑，這
2:09.083–2:10.683
WAS VERY DAMAGING TO PEOPLE.
對人們造成了很大的損害。
2:10.683–2:12.283
>> THAT IS RIGHT, HOW ABOUT
沒錯，那麼
2:12.283–2:15.450
CANCEL CULTURE, RUINING LIVES,
取消文化，毀掉人生，
2:15.450–2:17.983
SHE WANTED TO GET RID OF PRISON,
她希望廢除監獄制度
2:17.983–2:20.150
WE WANT TO DEFUND POLICE, THIS
我們要削減警察預算，這
2:20.150–2:21.983
IS NOT JUST SOMETHING WE SAY.
不只是我們說說而已。
2:21.983–2:25.300
ALL THE KIDS CAUGHT UP IN THE
所有被捲入的兒童
2:25.300–2:28.433
TRANS INSANITY IS AT HER FEET.
跨性別狂熱的孩子們都在她腳下。
2:28.433–2:30.166
IF YOU ASK HER POSITION TODAY,
如果你問她今天的立場，
2:30.166–2:31.766
THEY WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT,
他們不會有任何不同，
2:31.766–2:34.666
SHE'S JUST LEARNED A BETTER WAY
她只是學會了更好的方式
2:34.666–2:36.166
TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
來談論他們。
2:36.166–2:38.000
>> Charlie: SHE SMELLED POWER
>> Charlie：她嗅到了權力，
2:38.000–2:39.400
AND THINKS SHE WILL GO THE
認為她會堅持到底，並且會說
2:39.400–2:40.800
DISTANCE AND GOING TO SAY
任何她必須說的話，以便
2:40.800–2:42.850
WHATEVER SHE HAS TO IN ORDER TO
無論她必須做什麼以
2:42.850–2:44.050
GET FULL CONTROL OF TH
的全面控制

影片筆記：'WOKE 1 WAS CRAZY': AOC distances herself from Francesca Hong

一句話總結

評論員卡羅爾·馬科什維茨（Carol Markoshgwitch）批評眾議員艾奧莎·波德里德（AOC）在威斯康辛州州長選舉中對法蘭西卡·洪（Francesca Hong）的支持態度，認為 AOC 僅是調整修辭以追求更高職位，其核心政策立場（如「取消警察資金」）並未改變，並回顧了 AOC 在「Woke One」時期對社區破壞的輕描淡寫。

核心重點

  1. DSA 的政治策略與 AOC 的立場：民主社會主義者協會（DSA）試圖在威斯康辛州州長選舉中獲勝，但 AOC 並未支持候選人法蘭西卡·洪（Francesca Hong）。
  2. 修辭與政策的區別：評論員指出，AOC 並未改變實際政策，僅是改變了說話的方式（修辭）。AOC 被形容為學會了「按摩」其言論，從激進的「取消警察資金」轉向更溫和的說法，但政策核心未變。
  3. 對 AOC 的歷史批評：評論員回顧了「Woke One」時期，指責 AOC 當時對社區被燒毀、藥局被搶及生命損失輕描淡寫（甚至在笑），並將其與「取消文化」及對跨性別議題的立場聯繫起來。
  4. 權力動機論：評論員認為 AOC 為了追求更高職位和完全控制權，正在妥協並說必要之話，嗅到了權力的氣息。

詳細大綱

1. DSA 的政治動向與候選人爭議

  • DSA 正在覬覦威斯康辛州州長選舉的勝利。
  • AOC 不支持候選人法蘭西卡·洪（Francesca Hong）。
  • 法蘭西卡·洪曾短暫支持「取消警察資金」（Defund the Police）。
  • 洪辯稱當時的修辭在封鎖期間（Lockdown）與現在不同。
  • 當地市議員指出「Woke One was crazy」是一個轉折點。

2. AOC 的政策與修辭之辯

  • 評論員卡羅爾·馬科什維茨認為 AOC 從未談論政策改變，只改變了修辭。
  • AOC 被指為「共產主義者」，但學會了「按摩」（Massage）其言論。
  • AOC 為了追求更高職位，正在調整說話方式，但未改變實際政策。
  • 從激進的「取消警察資金」轉向更溫和的說法，但政策核心未變。

3. 對 AOC 的批評與歷史回顧

  • 回顧「Woke One」時期，社區被燒毀、藥局被搶、生命損失，但 AOC 當時卻在笑。
  • 批評者將「取消警察資金」與「取消文化」及「跨性別瘋狂」（Trans Insanity）聯繫起來。
  • 認為 AOC 嗅到了權力，為了獲得完全控制權，願意說任何必要之話。

工具 / 模型 / 名詞整理

  • DSA (Democratic Socialists of America，民主社會主義者協會)
  • AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez，艾奧莎·波德里德)
  • Francesca Hong (法蘭西卡·洪)
  • New York Post (紐約郵報)
  • Charlie (節目主持人)
  • Carol Markoshgwitch (卡羅爾·馬科什維茨，評論員)
  • Woke One (特定稱呼或標籤)
  • Trans Insanity (跨性別瘋狂，口語化用語)
  • GOVERNOR'S RACE (威斯康辛州州長選舉)
  • DEFUNDING THE POLICE (取消警察資金，政策術語)

操作流程整理

  • DSA 選舉策略：DSA 在威斯康辛州州長選舉中尋求勝利，並評估候選人法蘭西卡·洪的立場。
  • AOC 立場調整：AOC 從支持「取消警察資金」轉向更溫和的修辭，被評論員解讀為「按摩」言論以適應追求更高職位的需要。
  • 批評者反擊：評論員將 AOC 的修辭調整與其歷史行為（如「Woke One」時期的態度）聯繫起來，質疑其政策一致性與權力動機。

值得注意的限制或風險

  • 修辭與政策的混淆：評論員強調 AOC 僅改變修辭而非政策，這可能導致公眾對其實際政策影響的誤解。
  • 歷史解讀的主觀性：對「Woke One」時期 AOC 態度的解讀（如「在笑」）可能帶有強烈的主觀色彩，需謹慎看待。
  • 術語定義模糊：「Woke One」、「Trans Insanity」等非標準術語的使用可能影響論述的清晰度與準確性。

逐字稿辨識疑點

  • Markoshgwitch：人名拼寫可能為聽寫錯誤，需查證正確姓氏。
  • Woke One：此為逐字稿中的特定稱呼，語意不明，疑為特定標籤、暱稱或聽寫錯誤。
  • Selloot：疑為「Sellout」（出賣/妥協）的聽寫錯誤。
  • Trans Insanity：非標準術語，疑為口語或特定評論用語，需查證原意。
  • GOVERNOR'S RACE：威斯康辛州州長選舉，需確認當前時間點是否確實有相關選舉進行。
  • DEFUNDING THE POLICE：政策術語，逐字稿中多次出現，指「取消警察資金」運動。

可延伸追問

  • 法蘭西卡·洪在封鎖期間與現在對「取消警察資金」的具體立場差異為何？
  • 「Woke One」具體指代什麼事件或時期？
  • AOC 的「按摩」言論具體包含哪些政策調整？
  • DSA 在威斯康辛州州長選舉中的具體策略與候選人選擇背後的考量？

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