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我這幾天來到了東京的池袋地鐵站附近來住店。我就發現這邊似乎是非常多的風俗產業。比如說什麼無料案內所、什麼現役女子大生、S級素人、那什麼club這些。那這些風俗產業這麼多,怎麼樣才能避免被騙?能不能給我簡單的科普一下呢?池袋確實是東京灰色娛樂產業密度最高的區域之一。玩法多坑也多。遊客最容易被騙錢的也是這裡。我分四成給你講清楚這些店到底是什麼。

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是否合法

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常见骗局

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如果想见识一下

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怎么最安全

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1.无料案内索

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本质是成人娱乐场所中介

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他们不卖服务

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只负责

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把你带去某家风俗店

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从店里抽拥

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但问题是

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他们永远给你推荐

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抽成最高最宰客的店

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表面说学生妹

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S级素人

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实际或不对版是常态

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现役女子大生

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S级素人

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这是日本风俗耶经典话术

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等同于中文里说

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清纯初体验

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现实情况

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90%是包装人设

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很多是30家装学生

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如果你只是想安全的见识一下

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最稳的玩法只有

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方案一

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什么都不碰

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只当社会田野调查

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了解原理即可

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观察他们拉客行为

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不用进去吃亏

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又有认知价值

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方案二

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只去明码标价的大型连锁

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如果真要去

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只认两点

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连锁品牌

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官网有清楚价格

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不要案内所推荐

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不要被街头拉客

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不信中文黄牛

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我现在在池袋的中心街头这里

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闲逛

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看到有些女孩子就出来

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举着牌子写着

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无料1000日元40分钟

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这些大概都是什么意思

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我觉得1000日元40分钟

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似乎真的是太便宜了

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你觉得这个是不是一个

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引诱你去上钩的一个钩子

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你看到的场景非常迟在本地化

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我先一句话定性

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他们举着无料的意思是

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陪你喝酒聊天不要钱

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但你进店后的酒水

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那可非常要钱

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你现在看到的

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通常是grove bar在拉客

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行事室门口站着女孩子

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收取牌子

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补料初心者宽银

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真实情况是

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她陪你聊天

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名义上不要钱

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但你点的酒水

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时间

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座位

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延长

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全部要钱

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我刚吃完晚饭出来

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就看到一家店

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里面非常多的高级女郎

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都是那种身材非常好的

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性感大长腿的

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那这又是一种

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什么类型的店呢

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这是标准的

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不卖性服务

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卖的是

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陪坐

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陪聊

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陪喝酒

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加氛围

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因为Cabaret

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是比Ghost Bar更贵的

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是重課金陪酒廠

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所以他們更為職業

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顏值高於普通路邊Girls Bar一檔

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身材管理嚴格

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穿著玩禮服加高跟鞋

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加明顯的夜場神美

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他們是夜晚社交場裡的

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高級情緒服務型勞動者

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他們賣給男顧客的是

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被仰慕感被認真傾聽的錯覺

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被當成功男性對待的短暫體驗

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這類店的真實收費結構

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表面寫著圓一萬日圓加

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這個加就是重點了

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我給你真實帳單

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座位费时间费

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一小时8000到15000日元

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酒水你一杯4000日元

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他一杯7000日元

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延长费每30到60分钟续终一次

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最保守的结账是两三万日元

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如果你点香槟被多人围着

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直接变成5到10万日元级别

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其实我们这么一番讨论下来

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横向比较你就会发现

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如果你真正的找一个日本妹子

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正儿八经的谈恋爱

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这个性价比显然是一件更高的事情

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因为首先这个餐饮业的价格

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我觉得还是挺良心的

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我虽然坐在这么多风俗产业的区域

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但是我在这里坐下来

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吃个拉面也就750日元

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至少它是明码标价的

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如果你想象一下

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你此刻是跟一个正常的妹子

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谈恋爱两个人逛街的话

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那性价比就很高了

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对不对

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横比之下你进这种风月场所

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首先这个妹子不是属于你的

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你们也不可能有任何的后续

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动不动就几万块钱

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那两个人小情侣

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谈一个恋爱

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一个晚上也花不了那么多

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你说谈恋爱性价比更高

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是完全成立的

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吃拉面加散步加咖啡

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3000元

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你得到的是真实关系的升温

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夜场给不了你高质量互动

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真实连接

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长期叠加的异议感

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说实话这些女生也蛮可怜的

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你想她盘风中举这个牌子

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1000日元40分钟这些

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她们其实都很漂亮

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但是为什么她们要站在街上

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她为什么不去做那种

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能够直接躺着的生意

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她大冬天站在这里也挺冷

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还要穿得厚厚的棉衣

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我感觉她的生意也很冷清

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你的观察很真实

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很有同理心

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你现在去看夜生活

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已经不是为了泡妹子

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而是去观察产业链里最底层的一环

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一 大家都知道

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一千日圆四十分钟是套路

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这几年东京游客 留学生

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都被教育得差不多了

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社交平台有大量踩雷铁

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华人 欧美游客互相提醒

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套路本身还在

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但相信的人越来越少

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你说他们其实也挺漂亮

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这非常扎心 非常残酷的现实

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在这种引游夜场

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漂亮已经不够用了

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他们虽然年轻 漂亮

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但是没有稳定客户资源

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站在转化率很低的岗位上

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这意味着他们在整个行业内

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是可替换度最高

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溢价权最低的那一岗

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他们是学生这种group

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五六个人一起活动

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有男友女出来看个音乐会

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那这种陪伴关系

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一起出来吃个饭

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没有任何的性关系

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可能就会相对容易一些

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我在这个东京艺术剧场前面

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看到很多这种大学社团

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五六个男生一起出来玩的这种

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他们看似是一种长期的泳衣

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又有十个八个人站在街头喝啤酒

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这些画面都很像大学时期了

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我又看到一些19 20岁的大学生

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一起来逛新宿逛这个池袋

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他们满脸都是写满的兴奋

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但是我看到这种单纯是霓虹灯夜生活这种东西

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我现在已经没有太兴奋的感觉

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所以已经很难跟这种小年轻人

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保持一样的精神亢奋

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你在池袋看到的

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普通年轻人互相陪伴现象

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一堆年轻人成群结队

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有男有女

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年轻世代需要不花钱的

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互相的基础陪伴需求

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这一类多人活动

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不是冲着性关系

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但一起吃饭聊天

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看演出是相对容易的

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他们对付费性关系的兴趣在下降

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所以你在同一个场所

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同时看到了组团约会的人增加

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而举牌Girls Bar的消费

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则很冷清

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这是很精准的观察

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我在池袋的地铁站外面这个大的广场

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大的十字路口这边

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H&M这边

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看到有一个那种性感女生

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十来二十岁年纪穿着短裙黑丝的这种

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她又没有举那个什么一千日元

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四十分钟那种

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但是她又站在路灯下面玩手机

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我觉得就很像那种工作者就要做生意的

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在池袋这种位置

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年轻 性感 短裙黑丝

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单独站在路灯下

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长时间刷手机

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不走动不逛街

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99%不是普通路人

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而是业务状态中

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大概是个人皆私单的

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自由业务型

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特征

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衣着突出

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站位固定

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看手机是假

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实际上是在释放信号

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他们通过Telegram i

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撕下圆胶

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可能的风险

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先人跳

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现金纠纷

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偷拍勒索

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其实你刚才

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没有说服我的一点

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就是你说

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这些1000日元40分钟

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这种

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它卖的是情绪价值

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卖的是聊天能力

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你说这种方式是最低级的

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风俗产业服务

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但是明明躺着不聊天

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不沟通

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直接躺着赚钱

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那种才是最没有技术含量的

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你说这种要陪人聊天

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提供情绪价值

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这种明明是要更加需要

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一个所谓的people skills

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那为什么反倒

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经营这种的人在日本还多一些

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你提到的对比

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是完全不同的生态位

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日本的情绪陪伴型

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也就是街头举牌这种

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一千日元四十分钟类型

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本质不是卖性

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是卖陪疗

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受众是

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社会性孤独的底层男性

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最低门槛的情绪劳动

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所以他们不是卖身体的底层

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而是卖情绪

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但卖的比较廉价的人

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你说在泰国

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15分钟

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你說在泰國,15分鐘純躺著交易,則是完全另一套社會生態,泰國的法律揮曲更大。外國遊客加本地貧困一拍即合。

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所以在泰国

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风俗行业更倾向纯粹的劳力交易

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这是农业社会加旅游衣服型经济体系

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我又有一个问题了

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就这种1000日元40分钟取得牌子

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这种女生

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如果有一个男性客人上钩之后

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为什么他们还要带回店里面去

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因为店里面肯定是要抽成的

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要分一部分钱给自己的店里面

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而且那个店又不可能去遥控

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去监管他的行为

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为什么他不把这个所谓的公寓流量

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变成他自己中国常说的

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什么私欲流量

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跟那个男顾客私下进行交易

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那他不就可以不分成了吗

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会不会有这样的情况出现

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不是不想是结构上不允许

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原因是风控暴力债务监控

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一它不是独立个体而是系统节点

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你看到的是举牌的女生

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但后台是一个完整流水系统

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有人负责接单有人负责服务

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另有人负责应对警察纠纷债务

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它表面在街上是自由的

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但它的牌班出勤提成比例是被系统记录的

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可以这样理解

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他不是在创业

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他是在一个平台跑单

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二

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他如果私欲化

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风险会全背在自己身上

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你理想的私欲流量是

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不用分成客人归你

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钱直接进你口袋

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但他面对的真实风险是

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客人跑路

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客人剖拍勒索

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客人报警反咬

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客人定位你住处

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而在静电系统里

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钱先由电收

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风险由电扛

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纠纷由电处理

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警察由电打点

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她不是不想多赚钱

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而是不想一个人承受全部风险

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我始终还是在想这个问题

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这些一千宴四十三十分钟

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这些女生其实她们已经不差了

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如果你放在中国的市场

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直接去谈个有钱男朋友

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让男朋友给他抱金币

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也就是包他吃住

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是很轻易的一件事情

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那为什么他们还要

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就这么晚的

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这么辛苦的站在大街上

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这个是我还是想不明白

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因为他们颜值不差

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也所谓的什么情绪服务

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也真的不需要太多的情绪服务

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中国经常男生出的钱

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女生还是对他呼呼的

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你的困惑非常正常

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请你抓住了中日性资源

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婚恋阶层流动结构性差异

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中国模型是

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女生颜值OK

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进入中高端男性的择偶池

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男生愿意长期支付

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女生得到稳定抚养型关系

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社会默认认可这种隐性的

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sex换长期饭票的交易

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但這個模型在日本不成立

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主因就是

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日本的男女戀愛關係

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主流價值觀是默認AA制的

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這是和中國最大的不同

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在日本

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男人默認

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不承擔女性終身經濟責任

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女生默認

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不指望男人供養一生

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你養我吧

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在日本社會輿論里

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等於

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要么是詐騙

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要么是變態控制

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要么是極少數財閥

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包養全程

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日本主流價值觀是

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AA制

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双职工

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各管各的钱

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经济独立是每个女性的基本尊严

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你说的那种男生出钱

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女生还对她咋咋呼呼

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在日本反而是指

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这女生性格极差

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所以你现在看到街上的举牌女生

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她们虽然辛苦

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虽然做着风俗行业最底层的工作

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实际上她们大多是19、20岁

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还在读大学勤工俭学

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选择既不出卖肉体

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而只是出卖时间来陪聊天的工作

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从这个角度看

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他们甚至比花男友钱

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还觉得天经地义的那种价值观

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更令人尊重

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日本有很多都市电视剧

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反映女生这种自立思想

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欢迎去观看哦

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你说的这些都是观念上的事情

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他们觉得靠自己劳动自立更生

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非常光荣

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靠男人非常可耻

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这一点我当然是很尊重

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并且很乐意看到的

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问题是

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那你来像我这样来到日本的时候

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我宁愿花钱去支付约会的费用

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但是我不想走这种店的流程

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因为这种店的流程

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它毕竟是让商家赚了大头

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那这些女生

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她为什么宁愿去

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去伺候这些店

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给她们打工

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她不能自由自在地

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在这个城市里面逛

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或者通过社交院软件

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去跟人家约会嘛

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那是因为你是一个

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正常的很绅士的旅行者

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但从他们的角度

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可不是这样的

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他们可能接触的是

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极端控制欲难

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希望得知女生隐私

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恋足虐待倾向

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情绪失控型社畜

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一旦脱离店的体系

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风险成倍增加

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另外就是

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刚才说了

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日本恋爱文化是默认AA制

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纯讲感情

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那么对于真想

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用时间换金钱的女生

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他们就宁愿走这种明码标价的路线

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而不是中国那种恋爱之后男方全出的路线

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如果走约会软件

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那上面的男性

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是付费意愿最低的一群人

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另外和家庭出身也有一定关系

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家境优渥的女生自然可以纯爱谈感情

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但这些女生本身缺钱

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所以不得不优先考虑赚钱

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所以才会投身风俗行业

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有了夜长履历

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家里有债务

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在亲密关系中受过伤

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对被害的信任度极低等等

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使得她们不敢再对长期关系下注

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而且我还想到一点

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在日本这里

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你把所有的这些东西都搞得那么商业化

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一个普通的男生跟一个普通的女生

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搭个扇聊个天吃个饭

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你都搞得这么商业化

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那似乎咱们正常的男生想认识女朋友

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或者搞什么西方的那一套

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Pick up artist

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或者在夜店的场合搭讪

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这些东西在这个社会

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不都变得非常困难了吗

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这个才是我想关心的

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你确实说中了一些点

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在日本真的不太适合玩街头搭讪这一套

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在中国和欧美

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搭讪等于一种自信

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一种展示我有趣

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给予继续深入的机会这样的逻辑

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但在日本

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搭讪很高概率被当成骚扰

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会被判断为目的性太强

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不懂毒空气

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不稳重

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没边界感

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那既然一切都变得那么商业化

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像那种真正发自内心的

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慢慢推进的

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比如说像一些故事情节里面

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从追求我偶遇

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聊到什么感兴趣的话题

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当晚就一起睡觉了

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这种是不是

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你认为在出现的概率是非常低的

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只是在偶像剧里面才出现

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供大家幻想

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00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,940
日本人怎么谈恋爱的呢

482
00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,200
主流路径不是随机认识

483
00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:23,860
而是

484
00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:25,320
一 熟人网络

485
00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,460
前同事 同学 朋友的朋友 社团

486
00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:30,740
二 长期低强度互动

487
00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:32,440
多次见面 多次吃饭

488
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,620
一起活动 慢慢确认安全感

489
00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:36,500
三 慢速升级

490
00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,340
前手可能拖几个月

491
00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,540
表白关系被正式确认

492
00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:41,940
所以你说那种

493
00:14:41,940 --> 00:14:44,780
对上眼 聊几小时 当晚升级

494
00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:47,140
在日本属于极低概率事件

495
00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:49,460
我发现一个我不理解的点

496
00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:50,900
就是你说日本的恋爱关系

497
00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:52,800
是需要长期的付出

498
00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,640
但是同一时间你又说

499
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,700
日本的女生双方默认是AA制的

500
00:14:56,700 --> 00:14:58,660
男生不需要为女生的经济买单

501
00:14:58,660 --> 00:15:00,480
那么这两句话结合在一起

502
00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,260
其实就很难理解的

503
00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:04,360
你能不能再把这个逻辑给讲得通顺一点

504
00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,840
周日两套完全不同的恋爱

505
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,200
金钱责任观

506
00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,820
是根本的冲突点

507
00:15:09,820 --> 00:15:11,320
日本的逻辑是

508
00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,420
恋爱长期感情与时间的陪伴

509
00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:17,100
金钱彼此独立互不共养

510
00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,960
付钱不等于爱

511
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,420
付钱的那种属于被人瞧不起的保养关系

512
00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,600
中国的逻辑刚好反过来

513
00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,180
恋爱默认男方经济投入

514
00:15:27,180 --> 00:15:28,960
多付钱等于诚意

515
00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,940
不付钱等于渣男

516
00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:33,380
这是两套文明底层代码的不同

517
00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:36,580
日本的长期关系不是经济绑定

518
00:15:36,580 --> 00:15:41,460
而是时间绑定加情绪绑定加生活节奏绑定

519
00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:43,540
他们的逻辑是这样的

520
00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:45,820
一 恋爱默认就是长期

521
00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:47,660
是因为换人成本高

522
00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:49,840
日本社会工作稳定

523
00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,940
社交圈封闭

524
00:15:50,940 --> 00:15:53,520
平凡重启关系很不方便

525
00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,380
所以一旦进入关系

526
00:15:55,380 --> 00:15:56,460
默认就是

527
00:15:56,460 --> 00:15:59,420
你是我未来多年稳定生活的一部分

528
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,600
父权爸爸是个贬义词

529
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,060
女性就业率高

530
00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:18,360
社会共识是

531
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,200
一旦经济上依赖男性

532
00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,040
在人格上就第一等

533
00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:22,860
所以

534
00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:23,940
他跟你谈恋爱

535
00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:24,760
可以爱你

536
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,300
免你

537
00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:26,400
长期陪伴

538
00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,840
但他不想欠你钱

539
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,600
2A

540
00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,560
是为了人格主权独立

541
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,560
那长期关系靠什么维持

542
00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,000
靠的不是钱

543
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,960
而是

544
00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,000
时间投入

545
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,240
情绪输出

546
00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,400
生活协同

547
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,400
这套逻辑为什么中国人第一次听局的反直觉

548
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,400
因为中国恋爱的隐含公式是

549
00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,540
男方付钱

550
00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:45,840
女方确认关系

551
00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,740
女方默许给予性资源

552
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:49,140
男方获得稳定性

553
00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:52,320
日本人默认未来不是一个人供养另一个人

554
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,040
而是两个人各自站稳

555
00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,020
并肩同行

556
00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:57,260
所以结婚后仍然分账

557
00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:59,160
女方产假结束立刻上班

558
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,560
很多家庭财政是双账互质

559
00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,960
这也顺便解释了为什么日本情欲商业化很严重

560
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,600
因为在这种结构下

561
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,340
正经恋爱需要慢

562
00:17:08,340 --> 00:17:09,060
克制

563
00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:10,120
长期磨合

564
00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:14,040
快速情语被剥离到明码标价的商业系统里

565
00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,380
所以你看到的是

566
00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:17,920
街头一千日元半小时的陪同

567
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,720
情绪 时间 身体全部被拆成商品

568
00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,580
这不是日本人更淫乱

569
00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:26,660
而是他们把非常其关系的欲望

570
00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:28,300
全部隔离进商业区

571
00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:30,240
反而保护了普通人的恋爱

572
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,580
使得恋爱关系变得十分纯爱疯

573
00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:34,820
说实话 听你这么说完

574
00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:38,200
我觉得整个逻辑链条就变得非常通顺了

575
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,120
因为它也很符合我们在日常生活中

576
00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,520
对日本的粗浅的观感

577
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,120
首先它的封锁行业非常发达

578
00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,840
我们在看它的影视剧的时候

579
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,660
就会发现它的感情非常的纯粹

580
00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:53,480
非常纯爱

581
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,640
我们在之前那一集上野公园的时候

582
00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,120
我们在街头也能观察到很多日本的情侣

583
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:00,900
日本的家庭

584
00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:02,220
一家三口四口

585
00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:03,760
都是非常的温馨

586
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,800
你刚才提到二战以后的反复权制

587
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,740
我觉得这一点也是挺重要的

588
00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,840
因为彻底战败过后

589
00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,340
能够使得他们的社会有很多的反思

590
00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:16,500
而中国现在似乎这种

591
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,380
父权威权霸权

592
00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:20,840
或者对于皇帝的崇拜

593
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,960
依然在民间是非常流行

594
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,580
像你说的有很多的省份

595
00:18:25,580 --> 00:18:27,860
他都是这种金钱依附制

596
00:18:27,860 --> 00:18:29,180
我要付出很高的彩礼

597
00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:31,700
但是嫁过来之后默认就是

598
00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:34,000
男上女下男尊女卑

599
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,360
中国的这种给予女生的权利

600
00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,000
我觉得也是很流于表面

601
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560
一方面他们似乎有很多的自由

602
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,580
比如说穿衣打扮

603
00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:43,580
或者说日常在社会里起冲突

604
00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:44,620
都是男生服软

605
00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:47,060
女生甚至是有点霸道

606
00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:50,340
但是你一到婚恋的这个范畴里面

607
00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:54,360
他们又似乎还是没有日本旅行那么独立

608
00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,900
并且还有一点就是

609
00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:58,620
中国的舆论经常会跟往日本说

610
00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:00,560
你们还是什么军国主义复辟

611
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,440
什么霸权主义横行

612
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,320
但是其实他们

613
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,060
咱们用粤语来说

614
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:08,820
那这样一对比的话

615
00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:10,220
明显是中国的富权

616
00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:11,680
威权霸权

617
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,660
在社会里的残留的余毒

618
00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:14,680
是更厉害的

619
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,120
我觉得

620
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,880
经过二战后

621
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,480
日本的富权是什么状态

622
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,880
它已被法律

623
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,540
制度

624
00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:22,140
舆论反复压制

625
00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:24,200
富权不等于天然正当

626
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,440
男性没有

627
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,860
我天生就该在上位的叙事合法性

628
00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:29,920
中国的富权是什么状态

629
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,680
你说流于表面

630
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,820
这个词很关键

631
00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:34,240
中国表面是

632
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,380
女生很强

633
00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:36,180
很自由

634
00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:37,340
很敢骂男人

635
00:19:37,340 --> 00:19:38,520
实际上

636
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,560
核心权力结构完全没动

637
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,380
典型就是你说的

638
00:19:42,380 --> 00:19:43,060
高彩礼

639
00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:44,720
用钱来买断女性

640
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,340
不过

641
00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:46,860
中国还有个扭曲的现象

642
00:19:46,860 --> 00:19:49,100
就是当官的男性拥有很多负权

643
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,400
但平民男性却被阉割得很惨

644
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,600
所以会出现

645
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,360
哪怕你支付了几十万彩礼

646
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,780
但依旧没任何地位

647
00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:56,860
这样的奇葩事

648
00:19:56,860 --> 00:19:58,380
就好比你花了钱

649
00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:59,260
去买了个寂寞

650
00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:01,780
这也导致了婚姻和生育率的暴跌

651
00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:02,500
二

652
00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:03,200
威权

653
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,260
日本是被打趴了的威权

654
00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:07,440
中国是正在复活的威权

655
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,840
我们提到二战

656
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,340
这点非常重要

657
00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:12,500
日本的威权经历了什么

658
00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:14,820
四个字彻底破产

659
00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:16,700
天皇神性被否定

660
00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:19,000
军国主义被写进错误历史

661
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,180
权威等于需要被质疑的东西

662
00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:24,720
所以日本社会的底层心理是

663
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,420
权力不值得崇拜

664
00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,160
这直接影响到

665
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,340
家庭结构

666
00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:30,440
性别关系

667
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,440
一个不崇拜权威的社会

668
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,560
很难维持

669
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,320
难得天生在上位

670
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,660
所以哪怕你花钱去风俗业

671
00:20:37,660 --> 00:20:40,160
你也得磕磕细气地保持绅士

672
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,240
中国的威权在发生什么

673
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,800
你说残留于多

674
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,320
不如我说的更狠一点

675
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,660
不是残留

676
00:20:46,660 --> 00:20:48,160
是在富或成功

677
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,660
表现为

678
00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:51,840
很多人开始歌颂古代帝王

679
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,160
对强人的情绪性的一眼

680
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,020
哪怕对自己好有好处

681
00:20:56,020 --> 00:20:59,260
民间主动批他国的强人辩护

682
00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:02,120
对秩序 服从等级的浪漫化

683
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:05,080
这会直接投射到性别与家庭

684
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,920
男性渴望当家

685
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,480
婚姻被当成一种

686
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,920
微缩版图示结构

687
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,740
日本是不敢自称强者

688
00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:16,220
中国是渴望被称强者

689
00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:18,020
日本对霸权的态度

690
00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:19,900
对外叙事极度克制

691
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:21,460
有问题先骂自己

692
00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:23,360
民间对权力与强大的

693
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,500
防备警惕之心

694
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,060
中国的霸权态度

695
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,100
强大被反复灌输

696
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:30,400
外部国家被系统性贬低

697
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,940
我们崛起成为基本盘的精神振动剂

698
00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:35,360
这会带来什么后果

699
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:38,200
基本盘男性很容易把国家强大

700
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,180
翻译成我应该更蛮横

701
00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:42,220
个体权力被不断压缩

702
00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:43,980
为集体叙事服务

703
00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:45,680
所以中国的性别问题

704
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,560
从来不只是性别问题

705
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,640
而是霸权心理的肆虐

706
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,340
蔓延到了私人领域

707
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:53,340
所以你才会感觉

708
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:54,840
日本的恋爱关系

709
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,560
婚姻关系温馨

710
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,500
而中国拧巴

711
00:21:58,500 --> 00:21:59,660
因为在日本

712
00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:01,840
父权 威权 霸权

713
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,360
三者早被打断

714
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:04,400
而中国

715
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,580
父权 威权 霸权

716
00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:08,100
三者正在合体

717
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,720
形成庞然怪物