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"如果一种技术能让国家更富裕\n你会支持它吗\n大多数人会说\n当然\n但历史上有很多统治者\n他们的答案恰恰相反\n1485年\n德国金匠古腾堡发明了活字印刷机\n他以惊人的速度改写欧洲文明的走向\n书籍的价格暴跌了80%\n原本只有贵族才能接触到的知识\n开始涌入普通人的家里\n大学在扩张\n思想在碰撞\n一个崭新的时代正在到来\n与此同时\n横跨欧亚非三大洲的\n鄂图曼帝国\n做出了一个令人费解的决定\n禁止使用阿拉伯文印刷\n为者处死\n于是\n在接下来整整三百年里\n欧洲靠印刷传播知识\n催生了宗教改革\n科学革命\n启蒙运动\n而鄂图曼帝国\n这个曾经让整个欧洲颤抖的超级大国\n依然在用手抄书\n这些人为何要这样决定呢\n鄂图曼帝国的苏丹们精明得很\n他们非常清楚印刷机的威力\n正是因为太清楚了才要禁止它\n他们怕的不是技术本身\n他们怕的是技术背后的东西\n当知识不再被少数人垄断\n当普通人开始有能力思考\n现有的权力秩序还能维持多久\n这个故事是打开今天这本书最好的钥匙\n欢迎来到天天读书会\n这期我们分享的书是\n国家为什么会失败\n两位经济学家\n戴伦·艾塞莫鲁和詹姆斯·罗宾森\n花了15年走遍武大洲写成了这本书\n这本书帮助他们获得了\n2024年诺贝尔经济学奖\n他们要回答的是一个困扰人类\n几百年的终极问题\n为什么有些国家富裕\n有些国家贫穷\n他们找到的答案\n指向了一群很有权势的人\n同样的天空\n不同的命运\n在给出答案之前\n我们先来看一个案例\n美国和墨西哥边境\n有一座叫诺加莱斯的城市\n一道铁丝网从中间穿过\n把它分成了两个世界\n北边属于美国\n南边属于墨西哥\n铁丝网两边的人\n说着同样的语言\n有着相似的文化\n很多家庭甚至拥有共同的祖先\n如果做基因检测\n他们几乎没有区别\n但北边的人收入是南边的三倍以上\n治安更好\n孩子更容易接受教育\n开一家小餐馆只要合法经营\n就有机会把生意做大\n而难辨的人却长期生活在犯罪\n腐败和低效率之中\n同样开一家餐馆\n面对的却是繁琐审批\n层层盘剥和各种不确定性\n同一片沙漠\n同一种文化\n同一群人的后代\n唯一不同的是他们脚下那套规则\n那么为什么仅仅规则的差别\n就能决定一个国家的贫与负呢\n两种制度\n书里没有笼统地说\n搞好制度就行了\n两位作者把制度精确地分成了两种类型\n第一种叫诈取型制度\n它的核心逻辑是\n把权力和财富集中在少数人手里\n政治上决策被一小群人垄断\n普通人没有参与权\n经济上\n规则被设计成\n从多数人身上抽取\n供养少数人\n你辛辛苦苦干活\n成果被拿走大半\n在这种制度下\n努力不会让你变富\n只会让剥削你的人更富\n第二种叫广纳型制度\n它的核心逻辑恰恰相反\n让大多数人都有参与的机会\n权力被分散\n产权受保护\n法律面前人人平等\n你有好点子就能去尝试\n失败了可以再来\n成功了果实是你自己的\n在这种制度下\n创新被鼓励\n努力有回报\n所以每个人都有动力去创造\n一句话概括\n广纳型制度让多数人创造财富\n榨取型制度让少数人掠夺财富\n回到开头的印刷机\n同样的技术\n欧洲欢迎他\n因为广纳型制度正在萌芽\n新知识 新思想被允许流通\n鄂图曼帝国封杀他\n因为榨取形的权力结构\n不允许任何动摇\n现有秩序的东西存在\n技术从来不是问题\n谁有权决定\n技术能不能被使用才是问题\n这种逻辑不仅适用于国家\n企业 组织 乃至家庭\n其实都遵循同样的规律\n但问题来了\n既然答案这么清楚\n搞广纳型制度就好了\n那为什么全世界还有那么多穷国\n那些领导人是太蠢了\n还是不懂这个道理\n接下来这一层\n是这本书最刺痛人的地方\n贫穷是被设计出来的\n答案不是他们不懂\n恰恰相反\n他们太懂了\n世界银行\n国际货币基金组织\n几十年来做了一件事\n派一批又一批经济学家去穷国\n教他们怎么搞好经济\n开放市场\n保护产权\n投资教育\n打击腐败\n所有正确答案都端上桌了\n结果呢\n大部分时候\n钱花了\n顾问走了\n什么也没改变\n很多国家甚至越援助越穷\n为什么\n因为那些统治者\n不是不知道怎么让国家变富\n他们非常清楚\n但他们算了一笔账\n如果真的开放市场\n就会冒出新的有钱人\n来挑战他们的地位\n如果产权得到保护\n他们就不能随意\n没收别人的财产了\n如果教育普及了\n人民开始独立思考\n就不那么好控制了\n如果腐败被打击了\n他们自己的利益链条就断了\n所以他们做了一个冷静的\n理性的\n深思熟虑的选择\n让国家继续穷\n因为在一个贫穷\n无力反抗的社会里\n他们的权力最稳固\n他们的榨取最容易\n对他们来说\n一个贫穷但可控的国家\n远远好过一个富裕\n但无法掌控的国家\n这本书举了一个\n很黑色幽默的例子\n津巴布韦的穆加贝总统\n在位37年\n他把白人农场主的土地没收\n分给了他的政治盟友\n一群根本不会种地的人\n结果粮食产量断崖式下跌\n全国陷入饥荒\n但穆家贝本人和他的圈子\n从来没有挨过饿\n更荒诞的是\n他曾经在自己操纵的国家彩票里\n赢得了头奖\n所以贫穷不是失误\n而是选择\n不是事故\n而是设计\n换一个场景想想\n有没有一种公司的管理层\n明明知道放权能让公司做得更大\n但就是不放\n因为他算了一下\n放权之后\n蛋糕虽然变大了\n但自己不再是那个切蛋糕的人了\n对很多人来说\n切蛋糕的权利\n比蛋糕有多大更重要\n最可怕的不是无知\n而是清醒地选择不改变\n理解了上面这一层\n我们再回头看历史上\n那些阻挡进步的故事\n就全通了\n19世纪\n铁路技术横扫欧洲\n谁都看得出来\n铁路意味着更快的运输\n更广的贸易\n更强的经济\n但奥匈帝国皇帝弗朗茨一世\n亲手阻止了铁路\n在帝国境内的修建\n俄国沙皇尼古拉一世\n也做了同样的事\n他们的理由很坦率\n铁路会带来人口流动\n流动会催生新阶级\n新阶级会要求分享权利\n他们做了一道算术题\n铁路让国家变富\n但我可能失去权力\n不修铁路\n国家穷一点\n但我的位子稳\n两害相权\n他们选择了让国家穷\n经济学家熊彼得\n有一个重要概念叫\n创造性破坏\n这是社会进步必经的阶段\n马车被汽车淘汰\n胶片被数码相机消灭\n传统书店被网络平台冲击\n这个过程虽然残酷\n但它是推动文明持续进步的\n唯一隐情\n但创造性破坏\n对当权者来说意味着什么\n意味着可能冒出新的赢家\n来取代他们\n所以在一个权力集中的体制里\n创新一定是最先被扼杀的东西\n不是因为当权者不懂创新好\n恰恰是因为他们太懂了\n才更害怕\n每一次创新\n本质上都是一次权力的重新洗牌\n进步最大的敌人\n从来不是愚蠢\n而是那些比谁都聪明\n但害怕在进步中\n失去自己位子的人\n比如在公司里\n当一个新人进入团队\n带来一种\n我们不熟悉的做事方式\n我们的第一反应是什么\n是好奇\n还是本能的抵触\n当一项新技术出现\n可能改变我们赖以为生的行业\n我们是主动学习\n还是找各种理由否定它\n权力的逻辑\n并不只存在于国家\n当一个人开始害怕失去既有位置时\n他往往会本能地抗拒改变\n替换掉当权者行吗\n好\n如果问题出在统治者\n那把统治者换掉不就行了\n历史给出的答案是\n远没有那么简单\n法国大革命推翻了路易十六\n然后呢\n罗伯斯比尔的恐怖统治来了\n再然后\n拿破仑称帝了\n俄国革命推翻了沙皇\n然后呢\n斯大林来了\n一个比沙皇还恐怖的独裁者\n非洲更典型\n殖民者走了\n但殖民者留下的那套榨取性结构\n被新的本国领导人\n原封不动地接了过来\n在塞拉利昂\n英国殖民者用那套结构榨取钻石\n独立之后\n新领导人也用它来榨取钻石\n只不过钱进了不同人的口袋\n他们拆掉了国王\n却没有拆掉王座\n换了人\n却没有改变制度\n德国社会学家\n罗伯特·米歇尔斯\n提出过一个很绝望的概念\n叫寡头铁律\n他说\n任何组织\n无论起初多么民主\n多么平等\n最终都会走向少数人掌权\n因为管理需要专业化\n专业化需要集中\n集中就产生了权力不对等\n一旦有人掌了权\n他们就会用手中的权力\n来巩固自己的位置\n于是历史出现了一个\n最让人绝望的循环\n革命者推翻了旧的压迫者\n自己却变成了新的压迫者\n血流了 命赔了\n排面还是差不多\n推翻一个暴君很容易\n难的是不让自己\n变成下一个暴君\n我们身边也有小规模的版本\n很多人创业的初衷是\n我受够了那种糟糕的管理方式\n可等他自己当了老板之后呢\n不知不觉就变成了\n他当初最讨厌的那种人\n不是因为他变坏了\n是因为椅子没变\n那个鼓励极权\n缺乏制衡的结构没有变\n人一坐上去\n就会被那个结构塑造\n那么问题来了\n如果换人没用\n靠什么才能真正改变\n繁荣杀死了自己\n如果只有穷国和独裁国家\n才会陷入困局\n那事情还不算太复杂\n但这本书告诉我们一个更残酷的真相\n即使曾经辉煌到极致的地方\n也可能亲手把繁荣杀死\n13世纪之前的威尼斯\n是全欧洲最开放\n最有活力的城市\n它有一种制度创新\n叫康曼达契约\n一个穷小子\n可以跟有钱的投资人合伙做生意\n赚了按比例分成\n亏了各担风险\n这让穷人也能靠本事翻身\n阶层流动飞快\n靠着这种开放\n威尼斯成了地中海上\n最耀眼的明珠\n然后1297年发生了一件事\n那些已经靠这套制度\n发了大财的家族\n现在他们已经是\n威尼斯的贵族了\n他们做了一个决定\n他们立法关闭了大议会\n从此以后\n只有已经在策的贵族家族\n才能参与政治和商业\n他们还废除了康曼达契约\n把赚钱的生意\n全部垄断在几大家族手里\n当时的威尼斯贵族\n一定觉得自己做了\n全世界最聪明的决定\n我上来了\n把梯子收走\n后面的人永远别想上来\n我家的财富就能代代永享\n但结果呢\n创新枯萎了\n因为新人进不来\n贸易萎缩了\n因为垄断杀死了竞争\n年轻人要么离开\n要么认命\n曾经全欧洲最繁华的商业帝国\n慢慢变成了一座\n供游客参观的博物馆\n没有任何外敌打败威尼斯\n它是被最成功的那批人亲手杀死的\n作者从这里揭示了一条残酷的规律\n创造繁荣的制度\n最终会制造既得利益集团\n而既得利益集团\n又会反过来封闭制度\n扼杀繁荣\n想想我们自己\n当我们在某个领域\n积累了一些经验和地位\n内心深处\n是不是也有一种隐隐的冲动\n最好不要来新人超过我\n最好这个行业不要变化太快\n这种念头太微小了\n微小到我们自己\n都不觉得它是危险的\n但它的本质\n和1297年\n威尼斯贵族关闭大议会时\n心里想的东西\n没有区别\n时代的岔路口\n还有一个更深的问题\n历史上的制度本身\n是怎么形成的\n为什么有的国家走向了开放\n有的国家走向了封闭\n1347年\n一艘从克里米亚驶来的商船\n停靠在意大利西西里岛\n这艘船带来了鼠疫赶军\n在接下来几年里\n它杀死了欧洲将近一半的人口\n这就是黑死病\n人类史上最恐怖的瘟疫之一\n但让人深思的不是死亡的规模\n而是同一场灾难落在不同的土壤上\n竟然长出了完全相反的果实\n在西欧 英国 法国\n黑死病造成了劳动力的急剧短缺\n活下来的农民突然变得稀缺了\n领主急需人干活\n农民的溢价能力飙升\n他们开始要求更高的工资\n更多的自由\n封建农奴制开始松动\n瓦解\n这条路走了几百年\n最终通向了后来的商业革命\n工业革命\n现代民主\n但在东欧\n波兰\n普鲁士\n俄国\n同样的劳动力短缺\n领主的反应\n不是让步\n而是加码\n他们趁着混乱\n加强了对农民的控制\n用法律把农民更紧地绑在土地上\n加重劳逸义务\n历史上把这叫做第二次农奴制\n比之前还要严苛\n同样的灾难\n同样的冲击\n完全相反的结果\n差别在哪里\n差在一个微小的初始条件\n黑死病来临之前\n西欧的城市化程度稍微高一些\n农民的组织力稍微强一些\n领主的控制稍微松一些\n注意\n只是稍微\n平时这点差别\n几乎看不出来\n但当黑死病这个巨大的外力冲击降临时\n这些微小的差异\n就像裂缝遇到了地震\n被急剧放大\n变成了不可逆的分场\n历史不是宿命\n也不是偶然\n它是微小的差异\n在关键时刻被无限放大\n然后不断自我强化\n最终变成了我们今天看到的世界\n我们自己身上也是类似\n我们人生中那些看似微不足道的选择\n二十几岁时读的一本书\n三十岁时接下的一个项目\n某个下午答应参加的一场聚会\n在当时完全不起眼\n但几十年后回头看\n它们可能就是我们人生中的分叉时刻\n那个把微小差异无限放大的节点\n国家为什么会穷\n好 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