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我覺得生小孩是必然一定要做的事情

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所以我就直接

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就順其自然就生了

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你把任何一步都想得這麼的遠

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那你那個moment你根本下不了手

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你們沒有辦法做自己

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你們角色太多

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我人生真的就是來體驗的

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我不是來服侍任何人

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好像我們的世界就只有彼此而已

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擔心

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失去對方就整個重心就垮了

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大家好 我是施施

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歡迎收看人生思想

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我們不是有一集是訪問說

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到底要生小孩還是不生小孩

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有什麼利與弊

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然後就有很多觀眾留言說

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啊那個受訪的夫婦啊太年輕了啦

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沒有生小孩說不定幾年後就會後悔

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要我們去找年紀再稍長一點

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他的時候的半年前

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我們就有在爭50歲以上的大哥大姐

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很可惜在結構之前

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都沒有辦法找到適合的人來受訪

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但也很幸運的是在上一集播出之後呢

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熱烈反響

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我們這一次呢還是找了比較主

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六年級生之前的大哥大姐

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要來訪問一下他們單身的

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也許是沒有生小孩的夫妻

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看他們到底這幾年過得好不好

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那今天這個受訪者蠻特別

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我們今天要先去除了其他

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看他平常都是在幹嘛

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怎麼過生活

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附生小孩會後悔嗎

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Part 2 第二集

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在我身旁的是Karo姐

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請問一下Karo姐

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妳平常的工作是什麼

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助衛工作者

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當然我不是像妳們是自媒體

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但是我也是遠端工作

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但是我人是在台灣

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所以是旅遊業

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對

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那我就開門見山的問了

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請問Karo姐妳有對象嗎

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現在暫時沒有

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但之前有還蠻多的

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之前是什麼時候

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不知道怎麼辦呢

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就會知道他們是重複或幹嘛之類的

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這樣不行

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方便讓觀眾知道你的年齡嗎

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這一集專題不是就50嗎

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那年齡一定有50啊

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你有50喔

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有有有

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因為你目前是沒有生小孩的嗎

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沒有生小孩

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因為我本來就

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對生小孩這件事沒有很大的興趣

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你有兄弟姐妹嗎

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有啊 我姐姐有生小孩

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我弟也有生小孩

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學生時期或是社會新建人的時候

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你有去英國留學過

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要高薪就一定要進外商

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然後那時候我想進廣告公司

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那廣告公司你也一定要語文好

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我就是先工作一年

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然後存了50萬

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就那時候50萬是可以買房子投七塊

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就是我出門前兩個禮拜跟我爸媽講

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做好學校申請什麼什麼什麼

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然後錢都準備好

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然後我要去英國念書

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感覺是你是比較崇尚自由的

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你不想被約束

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我從小就是一個比較怪的小孩

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我小時候甚至覺得我是外星人

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那時候有學有談戀愛嗎

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沒有

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因為我去選了一個小鎮

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因為第一比較便宜

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它叫 Dover

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倫敦的東方

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在英國那時候

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一個人會發現

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一個人放飛 很自由

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然後我居然不覺得無聊

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就你可以一個人去探索

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一個人去逛

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然後我就覺得

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一個人可以辦到的事情很多

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那時候其實還沒有想到說

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不婚不生

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因為想要做這件事

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就是想說

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如果哪一天要結婚生小孩

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會被綁住

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就是先去做好這些事

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結果做了這些事之後

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就覺得好像還蠻好的

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先不要以說生小孩這件事情好了

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會想要有穩定的戀情嗎

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之前有一個六年 一個七年

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所以像有跟你討論過之後

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結婚生小孩的事嗎

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沒有 大部分我選的都是

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他們也沒有特別喜歡小孩

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或什麼的

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八月份不是有那個大稻埕煙火

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你就沒有辦法看煙火了

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還是你自己去看也可以

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我不用我們元區每週五六

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夏天每天都有煙火好嗎

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所以你不會因為背書這麼

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父親節 母親節

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然後情人節被影響

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年輕的時候可能比較會影響吧

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經歷過你就覺得還好啊

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我做完廣告業之後

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後來去公關業嘛

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然後我就做很多精品

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然後當你那些精品

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該拿的都拿的都有的時候

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後來現在看到什麼就覺得還好

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就是反譜歸真

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以前是什麼

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看山是山

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看誰是水

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現在就是看山不是山

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看誰不是水

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然後又再回來

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看到的東西就覺得還好

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但我就想說會不會是因為

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Carol姐就是本來就是

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經濟獨立的人

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如果今天也許我們

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不是的話

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會不會其實想法就不一樣

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我覺得會

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你要經濟獨立你才能自由

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金錢獨立你才有選擇權

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如果你的手心向上

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你就得看臉色

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那你的選擇就會變少

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沒有婚姻或者是小孩的束縛

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你要做什麼就做什麼

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去打羽毛球的時候

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隔壁的那個小女生就說

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好累喔 Carol姐你打幾小時

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我說打四小時

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她說我只打兩小時就累怪

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我說妳幾歲

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26 我心裡的OS

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姐姐 可能是妳的一輩

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但是我的打球時間也是妳的一輩

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我都不覺得累

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有時候我跟他們講幾歲

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他們也不相信

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因為我以前還會去夜店

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你是dancing queen嗎

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對 小時候很愛跳舞

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以前姐姐我進去夜店都是刷臉

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沒有在付門票

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也沒有在排隊的

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42歲的時候在夜店

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然後被24歲的打散

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但是因為她真的不是我的菜

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玩個一個晚上也沒有關係

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沒有沒有沒有

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不要不要

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基本上姐姐是嚴控

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但是她一直糾纏

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我就覺得很煩

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後來我真的拿身分證給她看

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什麼

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妳只比我媽媽小三歲

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那我媽媽怎麼跟你差這麼多

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我說

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這個你要回去問你爸爸

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不要來問我

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現在我來去啊 去Cela Vee

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我還是會去 但很少

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你們不要遇到喔

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對 不要少

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現在來到的是基隆

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然後我要找的是

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幼年級生的夫妻

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那不曉得他們在這裡的生活

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是怎麼樣呢

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吃湯嗎

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耶 我進來了

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這位三哥 如姐

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哈囉

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嗨 嗨 阿姨

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欸 我剛嚇到欸

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把車庫打開

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我想說哪個帥哥來引集了

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是不是認錯了

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沒有沒有

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請問你們幾歲

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我47

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66年次

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看一下狀態是長這樣

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想請問一下

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三哥跟如姐

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你們的家庭成員是什麼

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我太太

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我是貓咪

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新成員

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天天跟開心

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之前有養過寵物嗎

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沒有

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第一次

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六年級生

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然後目前沒有小孩子

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那想好奇的是

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你們從事什麼樣的行業

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金融保險

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之前都沒有想過說要有小孩嗎

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還是說其實有

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我們也晚婚

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我們大概是33歲結婚的

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剛結婚那幾年也沒有關注這件事情

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開心的過著兩人生活

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有點感覺找到彼此

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37歲之後才開始

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欸 旁邊的親友啊

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開始陸續在提醒你

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欸 你們要開始關心這件事情

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有兄弟姐妹嗎

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有

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那當時在你們30幾歲的時候

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我當姑姑了

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他也當叔叔了

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早就了

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當初有被父母說

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不會是英娜了

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或是怎麼樣

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你們算是比較開放或自由的嗎

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還是比較傳統的

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我覺得我們還滿自由的

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回想是

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我記憶中沒有

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但是那後來說 我媽媽好像有暗示過

252
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但是沒有很積極

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很和緩的啦

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不會很有壓力的那一種

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真的一開始好像是順其自然

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然後中間有很多就是催生的感覺

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熱心的親友啊

258
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跟你說啊 有中藥條理啦

259
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你可以去哪裡拜拜啦

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欸 我這裡好運棉送給你

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我收了好多個好朋友的好運棉

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過程都很像一個小劇場

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後來又調整成別的有宗教

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還有類似不孕症中心

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了解之後啦 知道說

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女生要一直打針 多次的討論

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可以自然的話就自然

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沒有就也不強求這樣

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對於小孩的喜歡

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很喜歡小孩

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我們可能去客戶那邊

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他們是很喜歡我們去

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因為小孩子會跟我們親近

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跟小孩子那個互動是很快樂的

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對 可是跟帶小孩

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責任是不一樣的

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如姐看到三哥這樣跟小孩互動很良好

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那你會不會覺得

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比如說認養或是要有小孩

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也是一件很好的事情

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領養嗎

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有啊林陽我們其實也有討論過

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很多事情都有想過

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那可能一開始

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不知道那是個壓力

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那經歷過那一段壓力

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後來我們有確定自己是努力過

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沒有消息

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就把一些事情看得比較安然一些

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就是覺得不會那麼的有壓力

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你們空間應該不用住這麼大吧

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我們有一間是長輩的房間

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那另一間就可能客房

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順利你們有三間房間

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看沒有小孩就是不會有很多

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那種放小孩的雜物

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我們就來清門踏戶囉

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偷看一下

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最近是什麼

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不合適的

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它有時候是塞儀場

302
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有時候是運動場

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欸 你們有坐貓門耶

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最近坐的

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然後坐了之後

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他們才不敲門

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然後也不進來

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真是很奇怪

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我看到像港星的照片

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那這間是你們的房間嗎

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對

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簡簡單單好溫馨喔

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就只有你們兩位而已

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就是你們的使用空間

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真的是非常的

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的多

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吵架就可以睡那邊

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這邊睡那邊

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那有用嗎

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阿田

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對啊 有時候會叫阿田

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阿田

323
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那你周遭的朋友都有結婚生小孩嗎

324
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結婚生小孩的也有

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然後也有沒有結婚生小孩的

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他們有了家庭之後就比較少聯繫嗎

327
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會比較少聯繫啊

328
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因為他們會沒空啊

329
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因為就要帶小孩啊

330
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那你爸爸媽媽當初不會覺得說

331
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Kalo啊 媽媽生小孩這樣

332
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他們其實也沒有問

333
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然後到了一個年紀

334
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也當然就不會問

335
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因為是家人

336
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所以他大概知道你的情況

337
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知道你比較傾向

338
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不喜歡結婚生小孩這件事

339
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他們就不會問

340
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鄰居的阿姨們就會問

341
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我心情好的時候就會說

342
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沒辦法

343
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追我的人態度不曉得要嫁誰

344
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請您幫我該屁事

345
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沒有 對

346
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我不結婚有愛到妳嗎

347
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結果姐會不會想說

348
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那假設可能在二三十年後

349
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會有什麼樣的打算嗎

350
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或者是會不會覺得說

351
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感覺好像過年過節的時候

352
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看其他都有二代三代

353
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那自己呢

354
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000
再年長一點沒有人照顧

355
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現在還沒有那個感覺

356
00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:09,500
那主要是我覺得

357
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人生就是一連串的選擇

358
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看你怎麼樣選擇

359
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你不能全部都拿 全部都要

360
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那比如說我選擇自由

361
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那當然就一定會失去一些

362
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比如說OK 你講的有小孩什麼

363
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天倫之樂 然後好幾代這樣子

364
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那當然你如果看到那個

365
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你當然會羨慕

366
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我每天會問自己一件事情

367
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我喜歡現在的自己嗎

368
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現在的生活是我想要的嗎

369
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那如果是我覺得就OK 是安心的

370
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我真的就是屬於

371
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積極過每一天 消極過一輩子

372
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你不曉得你下一秒鐘會發生什麼事

373
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天災人禍是我們沒辦法控制

374
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那我覺得我把今天過好就好

375
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我覺得老了

376
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其實不用擔心體力跟金錢

377
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你把這兩個準備好

378
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我就覺得年齡不是恐怖的事情

379
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沒有把體力跟金錢準備好

380
00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,900
你就算有多子多孫

381
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好像也不一定能幫到你什麼

382
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對 那多子多孫

383
00:10:00,620 --> 00:10:02,520
像我朋友裡面也是有那種

384
00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,620
很有母愛的人

385
00:10:03,620 --> 00:10:05,860
那我就覺得他真的是天生就適合當媽

386
00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:07,020
他不當媽就可惜

387
00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,320
我可能就是母愛沒有那麼強烈

388
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,160
如果我不是那個性格的

389
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,560
我就覺得我不要生一個來讓他不開心

390
00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,060
真的要生就是要負責任

391
00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:17,720
對

392
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,560
一定要對他有責任20年

393
00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:20,560
跟朋友常常聊天

394
00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:22,660
然後他們在這邊講做自己做自己

395
00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:23,260
我就說

396
00:10:23,260 --> 00:10:24,760
你們沒有辦法做自己

397
00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,080
當媽媽 當媳婦 當別人的嫂嫂

398
00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,840
當誰誰誰 你們角色太多

399
00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,280
公婆就會有一些什麼情樂啊

400
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,040
什麼你不孝順啊

401
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,480
就是任何人都可以管你

402
00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,440
太多的那種錯綜複雜的關係

403
00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,920
就是台灣不是結婚

404
00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,020
就是两个人的事

405
00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:41,780
海湾的社会还有女性

406
00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:43,260
为什么现在很多不结婚

407
00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:44,560
是因为最后结果是

408
00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:46,760
这个女人要包办所有的事

409
00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,120
可能什么都得不到

410
00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,560
对

411
00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:49,860
然后你又失去自己

412
00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:52,060
我人生真的就是来体验的

413
00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:53,660
我不是来服事任何人

414
00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:55,780
有的人可以有能力面面俱到

415
00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:57,280
还可以把我自己维持得很好

416
00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,080
我觉得那是神

417
00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,080
不婚不生

418
00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,280
你有没有后悔过

419
00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,420
如果我做错事

420
00:11:01,420 --> 00:11:02,720
我会觉得我做错了

421
00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,820
但是后悔这件事

422
00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:05,780
不会在我的字典里产生

423
00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:06,880
后悔没有用啊

424
00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,920
过去的事情就是只能翻篇

425
00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,820
要不然你就是跟自己過不去

426
00:11:10,820 --> 00:11:12,860
大家都認為30歲是一個門檻

427
00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:13,920
所以那時候我一句想說

428
00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,360
30歲的時候想要結婚

429
00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,160
29歲那一年發生一個禪世

430
00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,360
當然那時候我有男朋友

431
00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,360
我小時候我喜歡看日劇的

432
00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,560
日劇天王是誰

433
00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:22,560
牧村拓哉

434
00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:23,960
你跟牧村拓哉怎麼了

435
00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,000
我跟他沒關係

436
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,540
我是跟他老婆有關係

437
00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:27,680
後來牧村拓哉不是

438
00:11:28,540 --> 00:11:30,840
公佈他跟公藤靜香結婚嗎

439
00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,840
然後公藤靜香就是跟我

440
00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,440
同年同月同日生還同學型

441
00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,640
一樣是AB型

442
00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,280
然後我就原諒他了

443
00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,000
就想說好吧

444
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,780
唯一想嫁的人他就娶了

445
00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:44,380
跟我同年同月同日生

446
00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:45,280
還同星座的人

447
00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,240
那就是代氣你而已

448
00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,980
對 所以我就覺得OK

449
00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:50,280
那就把這個機會讓給他

450
00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,280
但如果真的好

451
00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,580
木村拓宅跟你求婚

452
00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:55,200
會啊

453
00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,300
那木村拓宅要跟你生小孩呢

454
00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:59,400
會啊 就嚴控嚴控啊

455
00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,200
結論綁還是綁假的

456
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,740
所以結論就是因為

457
00:12:02,740 --> 00:12:04,140
台灣沒有木村拓宅

458
00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:05,500
然後我也沒有遇到他

459
00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:06,700
要遇到對的人

460
00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:08,000
對沒有遇到的話

461
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,740
那就是自己過很好啊

462
00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:10,900
你會覺得別人擁有

463
00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:11,600
我覺得很好

464
00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,200
但是有時候不一定適合

465
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,500
套在你自己身上啊

466
00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,200
每個人有每個人的人生啊

467
00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,040
螢幕裡面說

468
00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,140
如果有年輕人

469
00:12:18,140 --> 00:12:19,540
你要給他什麼建議

470
00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:20,040
我心裡想

471
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,740
我不會給年輕人任何建議耶

472
00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:22,440
因為我覺得

473
00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,960
你的人生要自己決定

474
00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,460
那我唯一的建議就是

475
00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:28,160
你一定要問你自己

476
00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:28,960
你喜歡

477
00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,260
你想要什麼樣的人生

478
00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:32,060
那你就是盡量想做

479
00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:33,360
要做就去做

480
00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,260
我們的生活圈朋友圈

481
00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:36,160
也是有小孩的

482
00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,260
還是沒有小孩的

483
00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:38,500
有孩子的有

484
00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:39,220
一半一半

485
00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:41,000
這是因為我們年紀也

486
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,660
有些小孩也都成年了

487
00:12:42,660 --> 00:12:43,360
長大了

488
00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,000
後來比較多 有多的時間

489
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,400
在孩子生長過程

490
00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,360
時間比較少

491
00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,800
這是你們爸爸媽媽嗎

492
00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,300
對

493
00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:50,400
他們家五個兄弟

494
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,500
他有四個哥哥

495
00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:52,620
喔 所以是老妖

496
00:12:52,620 --> 00:12:53,000
對

497
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,620
當初爸爸媽媽比較沒有要求你嗎

498
00:12:55,620 --> 00:12:56,420
還是覺得

499
00:12:56,420 --> 00:12:57,860
不會 每個都有要求

500
00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:58,860
你們的家庭成員

501
00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:00,400
難道只有你們嗎

502
00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,600
請問這兩位是

503
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,000
他們待了很久耶

504
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,320
你們是31年

505
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,920
我大概認識十幾年

506
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,360
很好啦 就很常來

507
00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,520
那你們有很常一起出去嗎

508
00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,160
經常

509
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,360
那妳有沒有小孩

510
00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,960
他沒有

511
00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,860
他也沒有

512
00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:15,360
沒有小孩的你們覺得

513
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,460
跟比起其他朋友

514
00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:18,960
有什麼這樣生活的差異啊

515
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,260
最大的差別

516
00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:21,160
時間吧

517
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,480
就跟我們一年前養貓咪的感覺

518
00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,780
我覺得照顧一個生命

519
00:13:24,780 --> 00:13:25,780
就是要花時間在他身上

520
00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:26,480
有責任的

521
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,680
那我相信

522
00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:28,980
有孩子的人

523
00:13:28,980 --> 00:13:31,220
他們花的時間跟精神是這個的

524
00:13:31,220 --> 00:13:32,080
好幾百倍

525
00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,220
如果沒有孩子的話

526
00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:34,480
就是花在自己身上

527
00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,780
跟你想做的事情

528
00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:37,080
注意力會放在小孩

529
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,420
當然你也沒有察覺說

530
00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:39,280
你已經轉移

531
00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,480
可能沒有在對方的身上

532
00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,520
或自己身上

533
00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,320
你都一定會有很多身分

534
00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,620
你可能是人家的妹妹

535
00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:47,020
但你每扮演一種身分

536
00:13:47,020 --> 00:13:48,120
要把它做好

537
00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,420
你的生活體驗

538
00:13:49,420 --> 00:13:51,220
一定會更豐富 更精彩

539
00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:53,100
現在四 五十歲

540
00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,300
那會不會在二十年後

541
00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:56,860
就是七八十歲的時候

542
00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:58,500
又會有不同的想法

543
00:13:58,500 --> 00:13:59,400
我們常常有時候會想說

544
00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,240
我們年紀大啦

545
00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,500
我們都沒有生小孩

546
00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,900
那是不是就沒有晚輩

547
00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:04,380
兄弟姐妹也生得很少

548
00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:06,320
我們現在目前的想法

549
00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,180
都是其實應該都是跟

550
00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:09,480
比較交心的好朋友

551
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,480
就是大家一起互相照顧陪伴

552
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,580
時代一直演變

553
00:14:12,580 --> 00:14:13,280
在改變

554
00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,580
家庭成員越來越少

555
00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:15,920
先有這樣的意識

556
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,720
然後我們也會想像到說

557
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,520
沒有小孩在旁邊照顧或什麼

558
00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,540
盡量要保持健康

559
00:14:22,540 --> 00:14:24,540
我相信應該在將來

560
00:14:24,540 --> 00:14:26,040
會出現很多服務

561
00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,140
像在日本有那種陪伴員

562
00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:30,880
就不會想太多說以後會怎麼樣

563
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,340
在老一輩的觀念都會說

564
00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:33,840
你以後一定會後悔啦

565
00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,800
啊 你以後會很可憐啦

566
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,540
這種的

567
00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:38,340
好 像在行動網路之後

568
00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:39,580
很多東西都打破

569
00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:41,280
60歲還在上大學

570
00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,680
70歲還在學什麼

571
00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,040
我覺得身體會老

572
00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,580
心靈可能要自己

573
00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:47,240
不斷的去做調整

574
00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,680
觀眾是20幾歲的年輕人好了

575
00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000
那你會有什麼話想要對他們說

576
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,180
我們這個時代有這個時代的困難

577
00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:55,840
要把握當下就快樂

578
00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,980
不論做哪個選擇

579
00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,940
其實就是要把自己的生活過好

580
00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:01,240
有這個能力

581
00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,140
我相信生或不生都會過得很好

582
00:15:04,140 --> 00:15:05,840
雖然我們今天這樣討論這樣的議題

583
00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,440
然後我就覺得人生好無常

584
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,180
就是我們好像也沒有辦法去

585
00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:11,580
真的去左右別人的想法跟思維

586
00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:12,620
因為真的不知道說

587
00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:15,720
什麼時候事情會發生 對

588
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,620
生老病死都是自然的事情

589
00:15:18,620 --> 00:15:20,860
那其實像我們兩個在一起

590
00:15:20,860 --> 00:15:22,860
就是不斷的在製造

591
00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:24,760
我們共同的記憶

592
00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,200
那可能有一個人不見了

593
00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,100
但是他會承載他的記憶

594
00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:30,240
這幾年就是父母親過世

595
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,600
還有包括哥哥

596
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,640
我的感受是覺得說

597
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,780
很難去撫平這樣的傷口

598
00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:39,480
走不走得出來

599
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,580
我們也不知道

600
00:15:40,580 --> 00:15:41,680
有時候就是

601
00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,580
基於好朋友或家人的話

602
00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:44,580
就是一個陪伴

603
00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:45,580
你們會不會有說

604
00:15:45,580 --> 00:15:46,480
好像我們的世界

605
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,700
就只有彼此而已

606
00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:48,800
擔心

607
00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,700
失去對方

608
00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:51,300
覺得整個重心就垮了

609
00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:52,700
對啊 很難想像

610
00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:54,500
很難想像如果就是

611
00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:55,800
另一半不見了

612
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,200
剩下自己的時候

613
00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,700
我們常常也會聊到

614
00:15:58,700 --> 00:16:00,000
他常常都說啊

615
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,100
如果他不在

616
00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:02,400
我都還有好姐妹

617
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,000
就手足之間好姐妹的陪伴

618
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000
其實都是每個人來到

619
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,040
這個世界上的不同體院的

620
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,400
體院券

621
00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,200
你拿到的

622
00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,600
別人不會更懂你啊

623
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,360
所以你自己要沉澱去想 去理解

624
00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,060
舊的問題找新的答案

625
00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:19,600
然後找到新的答案之後

626
00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,200
它又會有新的問題出現

627
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,700
就是人生的一些體驗

628
00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:25,960
那假設如果時間可以重來好了

629
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,100
時間到回到20年前

630
00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,340
你們還會試得更積極要有小孩嗎

631
00:16:30,340 --> 00:16:31,160
應該不會

632
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,800
我覺得還是會按照原本自己的

633
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,800
當下的想法

634
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,400
對啊

635
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,160
那有想過說

636
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,840
如果之後可能在3、4、10年過後遺產

637
00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:40,800
或者是說

638
00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,400
身後事要怎麼處理嗎

639
00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,800
我們最近有做一件事情

640
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,540
就是那個

641
00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:46,200
玉利醫療這個東西

642
00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,800
大家不知道有沒有關注

643
00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,040
有一些狀況的時候

644
00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,240
選擇善終

645
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,040
就不要再做積極的治療

646
00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,340
就是最近有在

647
00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:55,240
跟朋友要一起做這件事情

648
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,440
就是你有錢的就是利益主

649
00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,860
沒有錢的就是利益主

650
00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:00,760
沒有後代的關係

651
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,020
其實根本就不用說

652
00:17:02,020 --> 00:17:02,820
擔心這麼多

653
00:17:02,820 --> 00:17:04,260
就知道彼此的想法了

654
00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:06,600
那先走那一個就走了

655
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,860
如果一些資產怎麼交代

656
00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:09,460
誰留下來

657
00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:12,060
就誰決定那些錢怎麼運用

658
00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:14,560
所以也沒有到說要煩惱說要丟給誰

659
00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,600
或怎麼樣

660
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,900
就順其自然

661
00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:18,700
真的要非常感謝人生持享

662
00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:20,100
這系列的這些受訪者

663
00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:22,240
讓我們看到不同的人生與觀念

664
00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,840
要找到這些願意落臉的受訪者

665
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:24,940
很不容易

666
00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:26,640
無論這些哥哥姐姐們的觀念

667
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,200
跟你的觀念是否一樣

668
00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,280
也請不要攻擊他們

669
00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,780
因為每個人都有自己的想法與生長環境

670
00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:33,520
再次感謝他們願意分享

671
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,180
那我自己是看到他們認真的

672
00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:36,360
把握每一個當下

673
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,580
更讓我要好好做選擇是非常重要

674
00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:40,180
包括飲食和保養

675
00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:41,180
我已經找到這個

676
00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:42,820
益生必備的益生菌

677
00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:44,760
好好生意的燕窩酸益生菌

678
00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,320
有助於維持好氣色

679
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,920
調整體質 養顏美容

680
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,760
不僅素顏的時候會比較明顯提亮

681
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,260
上妝的時候妝也比較服貼

682
00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:52,200
而且是很好吃

683
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,700
我買過許多保健食品

684
00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:55,460
可能就是因為不喜歡這個味道

685
00:17:55,460 --> 00:17:56,420
就不願意吃了

686
00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:58,200
那這個益生菌我會一盒吃一盒

687
00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,140
它有點像是南眉優格

688
00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:01,860
這種酸酸甜甜的感覺

689
00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:03,400
最近有時候會拔豆腰的時候

690
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,100
我就覺得不行 我不要吃甜食

691
00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,880
我只要吃這個燕窩酸益生菌

692
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,940
我會一次吃個兩包

693
00:18:07,940 --> 00:18:09,440
我就覺得好滿足喔

694
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,680
主要是因為很合自己的胃口

695
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,080
就不會排斥吃

696
00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,980
希望我之後會吃到

697
00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:15,140
就是幾十年後

698
00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:17,180
都可以維持很棒的好氣色

699
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,080
有吧 今天看起來有吧

700
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,380
我們現在來到的是新竹

701
00:18:20,380 --> 00:18:21,620
然後真的是非常感謝

702
00:18:21,620 --> 00:18:23,020
上次訪問的三哥

703
00:18:23,020 --> 00:18:25,460
就是他找了他們的國東同學說

704
00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:26,920
他們是有生小孩囉

705
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,500
出不定可以拍一下對照組

706
00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:29,500
雖然他們是同學

707
00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:30,820
但是因為他們的選擇

708
00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:32,220
也有不一樣的生活

709
00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:33,060
就讓我們來看看

710
00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:34,100
到底這對夫妻

711
00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:35,200
大概長什麼樣子呢

712
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,760
再講一隻 我像誰

713
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,700
關機

714
00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:39,940
小冠自己要來訪問囉

715
00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:41,460
這什麼這是水果嘛

716
00:18:41,460 --> 00:18:42,200
水

717
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,000
辛苦的

718
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,040
現在是盛產期

719
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,000
好好吃

720
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,700
等一下

721
00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:46,600
我就來訪問了

722
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,840
還是來家做客的

723
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,800
我在幹嘛

724
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,340
今天的對照組呢

725
00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:51,640
貴國哥跟小燕姐

726
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,540
他們已經結婚二十幾年了

727
00:18:54,540 --> 00:18:56,320
他們有一子一女

728
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,620
老大應該24歲

729
00:18:57,620 --> 00:18:58,560
老二19歲

730
00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,220
想請問一下

731
00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:01,460
貴國哥跟小燕姐的職業是

732
00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:02,960
我目前職業是

733
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:03,560
房中業

734
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,960
科技業 竹科

735
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,160
所以你們一直以來

736
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,200
都有在工作

737
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,740
就还要边带小孩

738
00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:09,560
对对对

739
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,900
附和得了

740
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:11,340
可以啊

741
00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:13,800
就生小孩到目前为止

742
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,640
中间过程才去进修了

743
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,580
才修到学士的学位

744
00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:19,380
因为我在图科也待22年了

745
00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:22,340
22年之后才转站房仲业

746
00:19:22,340 --> 00:19:23,220
他是轮班的啦

747
00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:24,280
那我是周修二人

748
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,620
他以前是夜班

749
00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:27,820
后来是变成转调日班

750
00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:29,460
那日班的话基本上晚上回来

751
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:30,820
大家都见得到面刚刚好

752
00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:33,260
因为之前是住在娘家

753
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:34,960
然后妈妈也有帮忙照顾

754
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,860
然后我之前也是夜班

755
00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:38,400
然後就互相這樣子

756
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,860
有一個很可靠的後緣很重要

757
00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:42,200
小孩子有跟你們同住嗎

758
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,360
有喔 家人才回來

759
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,300
那感覺怎麼樣

760
00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:45,260
平常在家裡的時候

761
00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:46,200
你感覺就是

762
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,700
很吵

763
00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,400
可是他們一旦出去

764
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,900
真的你會感覺好像

765
00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:50,700
很空虛感

766
00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:52,300
很早就生小孩了

767
00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:53,620
20幾歲出頭

768
00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:54,940
那時候生小孩或結婚

769
00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:55,820
都是有規劃的

770
00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:57,640
還是說你們有給自己一個目標

771
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,880
可能等到存到錢之後啊

772
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:00,620
有房有車

773
00:20:00,620 --> 00:20:02,520
再去做這件事情嗎

774
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,360
沒有欸

775
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,860
我沒有想那麼多欸

776
00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:06,860
就很順其自然就生了

777
00:20:06,860 --> 00:20:07,860
那一年结婚

778
00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:08,860
然后就那一年生

779
00:20:08,860 --> 00:20:09,860
有就生啊

780
00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:11,360
其实我的父亲年纪蛮大

781
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:12,860
我父亲50岁才生我

782
00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:14,360
是因为你爸爸这样子

783
00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:14,860
所以你才觉得说

784
00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:17,860
还是不要让自己跟小孩子的年龄差太多

785
00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:18,860
有都有

786
00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:20,360
然后爸爸也想抱孙子

787
00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,860
不过我觉得生小孩是必然一定要做的事情

788
00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:25,360
所以我就直接就顺其自然就生了

789
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,860
那小燕你怎么挑贵国歌的

790
00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:27,860
挑

791
00:20:27,860 --> 00:20:28,860
被骗的吗

792
00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:29,860
被骗的吗

793
00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:32,860
有没有在什么时候的时候会觉得说

794
00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:34,860
带小孩真的好累喔

795
00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:36,360
可能是婴儿时期吧

796
00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,260
小学国中的时候

797
00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:39,400
教育的时候

798
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,320
叛逆期

799
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:40,720
对

800
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,600
真的是小朋友青春期之后

801
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,900
就撑过就算了

802
00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:44,160
对

803
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,560
已经二十几年了嘛

804
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,700
然后小孩子也

805
00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:47,900
长大了

806
00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,020
你们还会去担心说

807
00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:50,960
之后他们的出路怎么样吗

808
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,300
在整个你们在教育的过程中

809
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:54,400
其实我觉得盛极自然

810
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,700
不要给他们太大的压力

811
00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,860
过去的我们一直在为了赚钱而生活

812
00:20:57,860 --> 00:20:59,520
我觉得那种品质就不太对

813
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,620
我觉得活得快乐

814
00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:02,220
活得像志祺比较重要

815
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,920
希望说平安健康快乐就好

816
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,920
事情严重新闻

817
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,560
我們先告知他們一下

818
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,720
他們也會自己想

819
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,520
因為未來路都是他們自己的

820
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,060
我們都不能干涉太多

821
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:13,620
大兒子現在是海軍嘛

822
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:15,220
然後24歲

823
00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:16,120
但你有想過說

824
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:17,520
會給他設立一個目標說

825
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,820
喔那你之後要不要有結婚生小孩

826
00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:21,820
還是說真的就是沒關係

827
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:23,520
然後也不太會過問

828
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,120
我會耶

829
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:25,320
前陣子才跟他講過而已啊

830
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,320
我覺得我還年輕

831
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,420
我還有體力可以帶小孩

832
00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,120
你們已經自願要當後援了

833
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:29,620
對啊

834
00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:31,120
就因為你們現在

835
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,220
就還非常有體力

836
00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:33,620
然後很喜歡小孩

837
00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:35,620
我們家妹妹也很喜歡小朋友

838
00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:38,020
但你们不会觉得说是负担或什么吗

839
00:21:38,020 --> 00:21:40,420
即便是负担应该也是甜蜜的 我觉得还好

840
00:21:40,420 --> 00:21:43,420
客厅后方有一张床是还有长辈吗 要照顾

841
00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:45,160
哦 妈妈 现在还在基隆啦

842
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,480
其实他是新竹跟基隆仰边旁

843
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,260
他想来就来 想回去就回去

844
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:52,720
目前来说他的身体状况都是非常健康的这样

845
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,320
哦 对

846
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,220
贵国哥你有兄弟姐妹吗

847
00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:56,420
你是长子吗

848
00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:57,380
我是老儿

849
00:21:57,380 --> 00:21:59,760
就算贵国哥有其他兄弟姐妹好了

850
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,320
你会不会担心说未来在10年 20年

851
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,280
因为我们其实都会老嘛

852
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,640
照顾长辈的重担会不会落在你身上

853
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,080
那如果假设你今天又有孙子要顾的话

854
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,440
所有的事情应该取决于经济问题吧

855
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,520
你有经济的来源

856
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,840
基本上这些都我觉得抗性就不大

857
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,280
父母亲本来就是自己的啊

858
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,440
那孝顺本来就是应该的啊

859
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,380
不管有没有兄弟姐妹

860
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:23,380
如果是有我一个人一肩卡的话

861
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:24,840
我也觉得是理所谈的

862
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,520
因为我们上一集的影片是

863
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,780
要一帮生小孩这件事情

864
00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:30,040
就是大概年龄成都在三四十岁

865
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,040
然后大家看完之后呢

866
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,280
很多私讯然后跟讨论都就是

867
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,120
反而对未来有点恐惧

868
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,020
因为我们会想要为了未来做打算

869
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:41,480
但还是说其实就是想太多了

870
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,080
我是认为真的想太多了

871
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,420
你把任何一步都想得这么的远

872
00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:47,820
那你那个moment你根本下不了手

873
00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:49,620
做任何事情都一样

874
00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:51,640
这你们的电视材好多想撞喔

875
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,840
我以为是放小孩子的

876
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,240
为什么都是贵国歌的啦

877
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,640
我后来是读业二纪啦

878
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,340
好像你品学兼优耶

879
00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:59,040
我其实是第一名毕业

880
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,640
拿到学士学位

881
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,880
然后我的教授是想要帮我推荐去教大

882
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,880
有因為是你的小孩或家庭關係而綁住嗎

883
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,880
有 其實有

884
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,880
因為小朋友還小

885
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,880
那時候比較疏於照顧

886
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,880
因為都在讀書

887
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,880
那時候我已經30歲了

888
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,880
下班之後又去讀夜校

889
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,880
回來又看書

890
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,880
然後這段時間真的

891
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,880
沒有他們我可能撐不過去

892
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,880
那個時候剛生出來沒多久

893
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,880
真的滿感謝岳母跟老婆這一段

894
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,880
因為他們很支持我去讀書

895
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,880
有你真好

896
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,880
殘酷的男人背後都有一個偉大的女人

897
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,880
對還有談媽媽

898
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,640
還有他媽媽

899
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,640
後來我就沒有繼續去金秋說事了

900
00:23:36,340 --> 00:23:36,840
因為小孩就很大

901
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,940
那那一段就滿可惜的

902
00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:39,040
小孩不是嬰兒時期

903
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,580
一定會認人了

904
00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:41,640
所以你希望可以

905
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,480
多陪他

906
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,240
不要把那個時光浪費掉

907
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:45,540
對啊

908
00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:46,580
因為過去就沒了

909
00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:47,520
可是你第一年病院

910
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,340
你們不會要求說

911
00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:50,340
小孩一定也要像你們一樣嗎

912
00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:52,120
期望對我兒子當時會有

913
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,040
他們稍大一點

914
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,880
我覺得

915
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,740
還是幫他們自由一點會比較好

916
00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:56,720
不要那麼大的壓力

917
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,720
欸 很優秀耶

918
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,080
小朋友都超多什麼什麼

919
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,000
音樂 獎項都會

920
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,500
我儿子 我儿子音乐蛮强的

921
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:02,500
我儿子从小时候就

922
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:03,800
感觉他的音乐气泡蛮强的

923
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,400
听歌 然后他的音准

924
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,600
绝对音感这种的

925
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,500
对 真的很准

926
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,100
他有去学过爵士 爵士鼓

927
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:09,700
学了两年

928
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,000
然后他老师跟他讲说

929
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,800
你不用再来

930
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,600
概念是初始的概念

931
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,800
那你會不會在意說就是

932
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,140
那既然你角色谷那麼厲害

933
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:18,060
那你就繼續再往角色谷那邊發展

934
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:19,960
我認為音樂要當作興趣

935
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,400
大兒子是台軍嘛

936
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,940
那假如說他之後的發展

937
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:25,600
我沒有想要做我目前想要做的事情

938
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,040
想要轉換跑道

939
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,860
你們會怎麼樣去跟他溝通

940
00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:30,960
喔天啊我沒想過耶

941
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,800
好難喔

942
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,300
其實我們高中的時候就跟他講過

943
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:38,640
說你以後大學要考什麼科系

944
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,360
然後我們都有跟他講說

945
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:41,400
點一下點一下

946
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,240
他其实都想蛮长远的

947
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,000
未来的路啦

948
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,000
那现在小孩子大了

949
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,040
你们有比较常出国了吗

950
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,300
这几年比较有

951
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,800
这两三年每年都出国了

952
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,880
终于有你们两个人的空闲时间

953
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,840
最近感觉到是小孩子大了

954
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,040
然后他们比较卧行

955
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,280
卧行是因为他们懂事

956
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,980
因为小时候可能羞涩不敢讲出来事

957
00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:02,780
长大之后他们反而觉得说

958
00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:03,760
就应该要说不是

959
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,360
爸爸吃饭了吗 还好吗

960
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,120
问一下最近在这边家里

961
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,020
你的台风过境之后有什么问题啊

962
00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:09,900
我懂

963
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,200
通常是我們在關心小孩子

964
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,500
我會說怎麼變成是

965
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:14,400
他們長大了

966
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,600
爸爸媽媽還好嗎這樣

967
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,700
你就覺得很欣慰對不對

968
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:18,800
我以前都沒有這樣

969
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:21,540
這樣聽起來總過一句就是

970
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:23,140
你生的小孩就是要

971
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:25,740
好好的負責任管教他們

972
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:27,140
你會感覺他們長大了

973
00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:29,660
然後更該放手奔向他們

974
00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:32,360
原本應該想要崇尚的這種自由

975
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:33,960
跟未來的興趣

976
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,860
但是不要餓著比較重要

977
00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,060
我沒辦法幫他們cover一輩子

978
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:40,560
那未来路还是让他们自己走

979
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,960
现在小朋友其实我也觉得蛮可怜的

980
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,560
你要白搜起家去做一些想做的事情

981
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,400
买房子啊

982
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,660
最起码买房子这种事情

983
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:50,760
其实我们这一代已经帮他们拨护好

984
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,860
你自己也觉得说现在这个世代

985
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:54,660
年轻人想要走出

986
00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:56,560
杀出一条路是真的

987
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,960
很难

988
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,260
有些人他们不敢生小孩

989
00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:59,660
可能这也是原因之一啊

990
00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:01,160
因为我预售过已经帮他买好了

991
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,060
偷气碗签帮他付

992
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,360
然后名字也登记他的名项

993
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,560
但我发现你们买来是透天耶

994
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,120
就当初是想要是全家人一起住吗

995
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,360
我当初买透天是三代同堂的概念

996
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,160
是你自己要的还是爸爸妈妈

997
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,100
我自己要的

998
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,300
最后结果反而是你爸爸妈妈说

999
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,000
我不要跟你们住

1000
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,500
住一个礼拜就说不习惯

1001
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,800
然后是说那他们还是觉得回系统比较好

1002
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,820
你们家庭关系一直都是蛮好的

1003
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:27,720
就是是一个蛮温暖蛮有爱的家庭

1004
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,320
还好吧

1005
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,420
不是应该这样子吗

1006
00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:32,920
你说他们的生产过程会不会造成我们

1007
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,760
对于小朋友认为说

1008
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,320
我們生小孩是蠻厚的這件事情

1009
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,060
其實目前為止我們倒沒有

1010
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:40,860
生小孩不會造成那麼大的負擔

1011
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:42,260
因為看過別人也沒有生小孩

1012
00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:43,700
可是我覺得那種

1013
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:46,400
遊戲人間的想法也沒有不對

1014
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,400
只要對他自己負責

1015
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,700
他可能覺得

1016
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:49,500
我就不想生

1017
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:50,400
我想過這一輩子

1018
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,680
就是人生就這麼一次

1019
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,840
未來有什麼

1020
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,420
不知道啊

1021
00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:55,820
那我為什麼不會讓自己

1022
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:57,180
過比較好的生活

1023
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:58,380
他們沒有不對

1024
00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,880
只是我比較崇尚說

1025
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,580
因為我喜歡小孩

1026
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:03,020
想那麼多說未來

1027
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:04,160
生了小孩會造成我

1028
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,760
那麼多的困擾或是困境

1029
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,160
這倒不必要多想

1030
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,600
不要為了這種事情去多想

1031
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,260
做任何一件事情都是

1032
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,760
看你的心吧

1033
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,760
你想要什麼

1034
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,840
你真的要做嗎

1035
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,800
真的要做的話

1036
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,700
就放手去做吧

1037
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,340
其實聽完故事就發現

1038
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:20,780
並不是說真的是有小孩

1039
00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:22,680
就一定會放棄自由跟夢想

1040
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,740
然後沒有小孩也不見得

1041
00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:25,740
這代表說會孤單或寂寞

1042
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:27,380
我覺得生小孩這件事情

1043
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:28,620
本來就不是是非題

1044
00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:30,320
而是選擇題啊

1045
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:30,820
是吧

1046
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:32,160
這件事情本來就沒有

1047
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:32,920
非黑即白

1048
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,160
就是人生的道路

1049
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,860
本來就沒有說一定是你選擇怎麼樣

1050
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:39,500
就一定只能是A這條路的選擇

1051
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,060
關鍵好像不是說有沒有生小孩

1052
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:45,200
而是做這件事情是不是你自願的

1053
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,500
你要無法對得起自己

1054
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,100
30也好 50也罷

1055
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:49,400
就有時候人生的道路

1056
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,320
心境本來就會隨著時間變化

1057
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,340
有的人還在路上找答案

1058
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:56,880
但重點是這個答案必須是你要自己先找出來

1059
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,880
今天影片都到這裡

1060
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,020
如果觀眾還想要看我們討論什麼樣的議題或訪問

1061
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:02,820
也歡迎底下留言喔

1062
00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:05,760
耶 我剛才跟貴國會他們

1063
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,100
偷了一些水果跟飲料