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  "text": "行業拐點來了。\nDeepseek V4 Flash。\n展現。\n價格。\nBBN10倍。\n中間內存的模型沒得生存了。\nMeta沒了。\nMacroke。\nGermline。\n再見。\n日常的活真的是列入醫保了一樣。\n就是你隨便用。\n這一單雜任我們再去找海外這幾個模型搞一下。\n但是你單看Deepseek V4絕對不是行業拐點。\n大家應該把第二個事情點起來。\n就是Google的DeepMet。\n震動。\nPasabis都退二線了。\nJeff Dean離職。\n這說明什麼?\n同志們。\n就說明Pigachin。\n一个要上天了\n一个要入地了\n对不对\n你看现在Deep Seek V4\n这个事情一出来\n价格比别人低10倍\n对吧\n你这么理解吧\n就拼多多\n对吧\n10块钱美金的东西\n在美国卖10块钱人民币\n对吧\n你就这么理解\n干出一个拼多多\n那你看\n你那个高于这个钱的\n这个东西没人买\n对不对\n我感觉一个更贴近的比喻是现在进入了\nAI有医保的名册的时代了\n完全就是普通的药直接走几彩就完事了\n然后贵的你走进口药就这样\n是吧\n基本中间那层没得生存了\n你说这什么Groak\nGerm9再见\n我觉得最大的问题是说\n大家得重新去定位自己的产品\n就是说最首先的是那些定价\n可能冲着Opus去干的\n或者冲着GPT去干的\n然后能力只比Kimi\nDeepSeek还有GLM高一点\n高一点甚至可能只能持平\n包括在不限于\n来一个\n比如说Meta有一个很出名的叫Spark\n其实也不出名\n可能很多人都不知道它那个模型\nMeta都转去卖算力了\n对\nMeta跌了那么多过亿年薪的人\n做的\n对吧\n我们就说\n说不定Meta\n以一己之力\n在美国把DeepSeek\nV4价格再降六倍\n有可能他可能倒卖这些\n把自己做成中转站\n去倒卖这个数据\n他可能更赚钱\n所以老修第一个结论\nMeta没了\nMeta被斩杀掉了\n我觉得这个斩杀线的意思\n就是什么\n就是说在这条线之下\n已经很难存活了\n就跟超市里东西似的\n你看这个\n有的超市里东西\n就是走得特别快\n有的就走不动\n甚至说周转率\n达到几周几个月\n这种情况\n那些就是展示下下的商品\n对吧\n但是现在DeepSafe给了这么一个定价\n就把这个锚点标在这了\n你怎么样\n就跟这个当时吕布那个原文设计一样\n我这一键设在这了\n大家震慑在我的威力之下\n你想拼也不是不能拼\n你非要说俩换一个也可以换\n但是很多人会先掂点点亮\n我要不要干这事\n这是对市场的一个震撼\n真的\n就这一键设出去之后\n我觉得很多人都得再重新掂点亮\n回去想想这公司要怎么搞了\n但是回到比较实际的体验\n就问一下老修\n就实际在用Deep Seek V4 Fresh的体验上\n你觉得取代你大部分的模型吗\n或者说你觉得体验上怎么样\n体验上其实就是我刚才说的那种重复性的\n它很好\n但是需要推理的\n然后感知一些实时结果\n并且调整自己的方案的这种的\n这种其实还难\n这个其实是要留给它的V4 Pro正式版\n或者说现在这些场景\n还是需要顶级模型搞一把\n但是一些快修快补\n一些重复性工作\n快速的工作\n它就速度非常快\n做的还不错\n所以我是真的真心感受到\n日常的活真的是列入医保了一样\n你随便用没事\n一难杂认\n我们再去找海外这几个模型搞一下\n所以你看\n就变成说跟中国电车一样\n我20万块钱\n我可以买到非常好的电车\n过往三四十万\n四五十万这样车的\n这种豪华车的水平\n是的\n然后你就拍现在中国市场上\n这四五十万的车绝技\n不行了\nBBA都卖不出去了\n现在都销量掉百分之三十\n最多卖到三十万\n超过三十万的车\n不太行了\n很多都下探到二十几了\nBBA都不行了\n对吧\n连二手车都拍不通了\n我觉得这个就是一个很典型的斩杀件\n你用中国电车现在市场上来理解\n然后要么就最高端的\n买的最高端的保时捷\n蓝博基尼那些东西\n我跟你讲\n我跟你讲\n我给你一个我那个年代的比喻\n就两辆车\n一辆车是奇瑞QQ\n然后0.8的排量\n你知道吗\n有个坡\n就得下来推那种\n然后另外一个就50红光\n就50红光\n对吧\n就是拉人拉货都一样\n然后呢\n就是那个\n你就是说\n放里面放个沙发就能坐五个人\n但是随便那个\n弄个什么东西能拉走那种\n就是这两辆神车\n一个神车是什么意思\n就是说很多小老板\n就是刚刚那个什么\n就是谈个业务什么的\n你有个车代步\n我也有个QQ\n但是你要想谈女朋友\n很寒酸\n你知道我有一个朋友\n就是当年拉着女朋友去东风\n又到一坡上\n你知道吗\n起步上不去了\n你知道吗\n挂一档都上不去\n后来怎么办\n真的是女朋友下车\n然后帮着她推上去的那车\n当时她只给我们讲的时候\n就为这个事哭了好久\n但是就这辆车你知道吗\n有了这款车之后\n很多人就能摸车了\n你知道吧\n应该是说干活拉货\n有了兜底保障\n但是你出去接客\n对吧\n你还是开个麦巴赫\n你要搞个商务\n比如说你上机场接个人\n你开个50红光去\n我觉得有点不太合适\n你租一辆麦巴赫\n对不对\n讲了很多比喻都有\n对吧\n我还想了一个\n我说小米出来把山寨机干没了\n对不对\n对对对\n但是摩托的事又没山寨的\n是吧\n我觉得这个真的\n就为什么我开篇说\n这行业拐点绝对没有问题\n但是你单看Deepseek V4\n绝对不是行业拐点\n你应该结合\nGoogle的人事震动来看\n我们伸个围\n为什么要把这两个事情\n结合起来\n我们人已经走了\n我们就先不说了\n好不好\nJeff Dean一路平安\n对\n祝你发大财\n感谢你为AI\n做出的巨大的贡献\n永远AI史上有你一笔\n传奇我们就不讲了\n但是我觉得\n上期有个事情\n我没有跟大家聊透\n就是Gemini\n就你说Gemini拉胯\n对吧\n我说这次斩杀线\n我觉得应该差不多\n也把Gemini给斩掉了\n对\n还留了一点点\n还有一点\n就那个太监淹掉了\n还供起来\n还留了一点\n我们自己还在用Gemini\n还留了一点念想\n还有\n还有\n还有\n还有留点\n留点一点念想\n对\n但是我要说的是什么\n大家现在在笑Gemini\n对吧\n说大家都\nGemline 2.5 之 然后现在3.6\n大家笑他\n换了二二子海沃的兄弟\n现在变成\n能不能好\n但是我跟你讲\n我不开玩笑的\nGoogle的No Map\nGoogle路线\n真的我们大家要好好学习一下\n现在所有人是\n我猜跟这个事情有关\n因为现在Google全量推的\n都是3.6 Flash的模型\n对吧\n你包括Gymline Spark\n这些完成任务\n全部默认都是跑3.6 Flash\n所以我是觉得说\n这代表一个趋势\n最新的Flash模型\n蒸馏自己上一代的Pro模型\n我觉得这个路线\n它贯彻得非常好\n所以我觉得\n我们大方向看Google\n包括它所有这些布局\n什么做机器人\n它的云增长足够了\n我们这前一段时间刚交了打\n它的云增长非常的高\n而且其实蒸留自己前一代的旗舰模型\n这个也是业内标配\n因为实际上这样的做\n通常是不需要那么久的\n比如说Deep Seek这一次V4 Flash\n为什么这么强\n它其实就是把原来的Pro的V4 Pro Preview\n就是预览版\n把预览版里面那些好的一些场景\n全部都蒸馏到非常的\n然后后训练在调整\n靠后训练\n所有的核心参数都没变\n是吧\n核心参数都没有变\n全靠后训练\n智能水平上升了\n是的\n成本还掉了\n对成本下了\n它其实这个就是把之前的旗舰拿来干的\n所以这个事情就是说挺标准的\n而且它也没有等很长时间\n我们从preview应该是几个月前才讲的\n三到四个月\n三个月左右\n那个时候到现在\n就已经flash版本就出来了\n而且做的效果还挺好\n软件硬件都优化款了\n我相信谷歌也能做那么快\n但是他可能节奏上\n不需要跑那么快\n对\n但是这个就会出现一个问题\n你是什么Transformer\n什么MOE\n什么什么所有这些东西\n都是Google提出来的\n对吧\n至少什么Jeff Dean的\n这些人提出来的\n但是这个时候他就会想了\n那我要干嘛\n对吧\n你们现在开始拼Flash了\n开始卷价格了\n开始进入重复工作了\n对吧\n我干嘛\n我干嘛去\n对不对\n你看我留意到哈萨比斯最近的一个采访\n我觉得有一定程度上是真情流露了\n对不对\n他就说如果能够由我来拍板的话\n我愿意多做几个像AlphaFold这样的产品\n待在实验室里面\n可能就先把癌症给攻克了\n对吧\n我不会那么快让他让这个AI出来\n给你们写邮件\n干办公\n是吧\n在科学家眼睛里面\n这些是还好\n但是更急的是那些生命科学\n其他的一些问题\n所以你抓住这句话\n你就大概能够明白\n整个Google里面的斗争了\n进一段广告\n最近早晚报也做了非常多的升级\n我们已经发了多少期\n500多期了\n对\n然后深度解读可能都干了100多期了\n对\n非常感谢大家\n对于我们早晚报邮件产品的支持\n我们现在也是推出了IM端\n那在IM端就更方便大家去使用了\n首先第一个\n你每天可以收到两条语音的播报\n对吧\n了解今天的早报跟晚报\n然后每次你还会收到三条\n就是今天的深度言报\n也是用语音播客的形式\n跟大家来做一个互动\n那关于里面你感兴趣的\n不懂的环节\n你可以直接在你的IM端\n跟他聊天了\n对\n就可以随时随问了\n随时这个做笔记\n或者帮自己整理言报\n那我们过往500多期的\n这个新闻的数据\n已经是一个非常详实的\n一个AI新闻面的\n一个数据库了\n那加上我们调优的\n我们三个人的\n这个模型在里面\n我觉得可能很多时候\n可以一键帮你洞悉到\n就是你最关心的\n这个AI动态\n所以非常推荐\n大家去订阅我们的早晚报\n然后大家去绑定\n自己的IM端\n来使用我们一个\n可以交互的\n互动版的早晚报\n运过都说好\n也感谢一直跟随\n我们的这些VIP的客户们\n帮我们做测试\n给我们提意见\n让我们这产品就来\n先换上来土耳其人\n对吧\n还有负责Gemini\nJosh\n这几个都是雕花可以的\n对不对\n开始围着创始人\n开始在功课\n说现在在功课编程了\n对吧\n那就是说明说\n在哈萨比斯\nJeff Dean这些人的\n工作里面\n就这些事情优先级不高\n不太想做\n对\n对 我跟你讲 你说不太想做才是真话\n就是说当才你说那句话 我也看到你转发的嘛\n就是哈斯比斯说 如果是他拍板\n然后你就会先把癌症功课\n这个事情真的是很崇高的理想\n但是在商业社会中 我觉得是没有人会允许他这么做的\n对吧 又不是他一家独揽\n把所有AI资源和算力都揽在自己手里面\n不是这样的 如果你执着于说一定要科学做贡献\n我觉得这是很崇高的理想\n但在对于一个公司来讲 对于股东来讲\n不见得这是最大化的一个效率选择\n所以我觉得他\n我觉得导演没那么崇高\n可能我觉得像哈萨比斯这个level\n他也知道这个生意要怎么做\n但他可能觉得说\n多几个alpha fold\n可能是一个更大的生意\n他可能看得更长远\n但是可能作为我创始人来讲\n作为Google来讲\n我眼前更重要\n我下一季的财报怎么教\n我Google语言故事怎么讲\n对吧\n其实你看这一次\nGoogle这个财报出来\n云啊增长啊\n什么都特别明显\n去年我们就讲过了\n这个云肯定是要成为第二曲线的\n你云不成为第二曲线\n你这搜索份额掉\n这事情你源不过去\n对不对\n没错\n那我云成为第二曲线\n很简单\n我这个算力怎么分配\n来\n这个哪些给Anthoropic\n对吧\n这个哪些给Gemini\n对不对\n我这个做预算\n这个批财开预算会的时候\n大家来开个预算会\n这个B就开始撕了\n对\n所以我会想到一个八卦的事情\n就有点意思\n突然窜起来\n本来跟着哈萨比斯在研究蛋白质的诺贝尔奖获得者\n应该是上个月\n跳起anthropic了\n然后而且哈萨比斯是anthropic的早期投资者\n不违反各种进业条例的\n是应该在很小的时候\nanthropic很小的时候投的\n然后他现在其实现任CEO有事去做chairman\n就是做chairman\nchairman应该是董事长是吧\n我不知道海外到底是哪个位置\n主席\n还不知道是什么\n话事人\n然后他过去以后\n他是说他重要在看的\n也是关于健康蛋白质相关的项目去了\n我就觉得说\n其实可能这个事情确实他是很想做\n我自己也看过他的自传\n他的自传其实写过很多次\n他是很想追求科学家是首要身份的\n但是应该来说这两年来搞Gemini\n肯定没办法做科学家了\n有点郁郁不得志\n我教大家一个方法\n就是你在GPT上面\n你跟哈萨比斯换个脑\n你用他的角度来想一下这个问题\n你就会发现\n刚才老书补充了一个很重要的信息\n妈的你AI coding什么\n我都投了\n对吧\n我都投了\n你Google也投了\n你不要说我投了\nGoogle也投了\n对谷歌也投了\n而且有好多的TPU芯片\n全部都先给Iso\n给去训练下一代的\n可能是Cloud6什么的\n我搞个毛线coding\n我肯定对吧\nFallet多搞几个\n你看我们都知道说\n最高级的用Cloud\n其他干活的用Deepseek\n他们就把Gemini做成Deepseek的\n美国版平地都够了\n对吧\n其实Google就是在做这个动作\n对因为你在美国\n不太可能说大家都用Deepseek\n这肯定就有很多天然的问题\n就算都是部署在本地的\n他也很想用个美国自己的模型\n如果Gemini Flash的后面\n跟Deep Seek Flash\n同一个来我价格稍微贵一点\n肯定是选Jim来就这样\n小苏当时那个Flash那块\n我特别特别同意\n我觉得这个战略本身啊\n并没有什么错误\n就是战略性放弃\n就跟咱们看到一些这个拳击片\n看到嘛\n就什么Rocky什么的\n就作为那个一方来讲\n他就是先守着\n先防守防守\n我能扛得住\n能扛的几个回合\n七八回合\n就是你看我后面怎么样\n你只要没动了我的根本\n我后面几个走公桥\n右勾拳\n一个那什么右勾饼\n直接就能把那对\n我觉得就是说,Google作为老牌公司,上市公司,而且有这么好的Google基础,它不会像那些年轻人雪橘方刚一样,然后从天到晚的就是叫着自己的评分多高,然后能把价格打多低,我觉得它先稳住,让自己的生态能够运转起来。\n这是核心\n其实我告诉你\n我把这个事情拆开来\n就一句话\n就是Google的战略\n在年初就已经定好\n就是Deep Seek的话\n做美国的Deep Seek\n它的战略就是这个\n对\n但一旦这个战略定下来以后\n一旦这个战略定下来以后\n就要有所牺牲\n对吧\n老兄\n你反对革命是吧\n你反对革命是吧\n请坐后面的椅子\n去Chill坐一下\n不换脑子\n不换脑子就换脑子\n是不是\n我觉得Google的战略非常简单\n就是我DeepMind的使命完成了\n对\n我现在整个公司我要DeepSeek化\n你们不要跟我讲别的\n我就是要DeepSeek化\n然后如果你能帮我把编程搞下来\nOK可以\n如果你DeepMind不能帮我把编程搞下来\n再见\n你现在也可以倒过来看\nDeepSeek的编码的部分\n它现在也才刚刚开始做\n是\n所以我觉得这个是一个战略的考量\n然后当然我觉得\n我们刚才讲了一个\n反正斩杀线\n第一刀肯定是把meta给斩的\n你说这个事情对Google好还不好\n我的结论就是刚才也讲了\nGoogle就是把根留住\n被砍了一刀\n然后把根留住\n把那个供起来\n还能接上\n还能接上\n但是当时我想说一个话题\n我当时就是说\n我不想让它滑过去\n就当他说到\n说拼多多嘛\n对吧\n你说比如说国内的生产力\n加上价格\n那在美国卖两块钱东西\n在国内卖两块人民币\n这东西有七倍到八倍的差价\n但是其实真正到这边\n本地不是这样的\n就是我在本地的感受\n在多加拿大也有这个什么\nTMO什么的\n不行\n就是一直扩外不开\n有两个原因\n一个是物流\n一个是物流原因\n一个是关税\n但是这个东西在AI上不存在\n是不是不存在\n我不知道\n对不对\n就说起码我现在看见\n我去注册这个deep6\nAPI很顺\n然后再把DeepSick\n接入到Codex\n那个Codex里面也很顺\n那就不存在\n这个像国内商品物流过来\n这种国际贸易的这种差距\n那这就很可怕\n这真的我觉得这才是关键\n就是它怎么能够\n接入到现在原有的工具里面\n让大家用着顺手\n用着爱不释手\n这个是我觉得太牛逼的地方\n但是其实应该是说\n按目前这个成本结构\n肯定就是你要出海\n它还是有一定的成本的\n不管算力电力\ntoken这个成本肯定在\n但是现在的成本结构\n对于用美金技价的购买来讲\n已经足够便宜了\n而且他不还要马上做\n销锋评股\n对吧\n就是把播风播股价格\n对于我海外来讲太舒服了\n对不对\n我永远都在播股上用\n然后对他来讲\n他那些顺路易不浪费\n还能有一笔很好的收入\n对于海外来讲\n我认为这个就是说\n全是利好\n没有利空\n这我也让我觉得很恐怖\n这个是一个很有意思的事情\n老秀\n就是为什么三方平台能够把\n这个Deep Seek V4 Flash的价格\n卖的比官方还便宜六倍\n这个是\n我觉得这个也很好笑\n对这个就是表面看起来\n难道第三方有更深的技术吗\n其实就不是这么回事\n它就像羊毛出在猪身上一样\n你这个东西只要的架起来\n它有别的方式可以卖\n对吧\n可以卖你这个过往的中转的数据\n然后数据标注\n都很优质的\n这些东西也都可以做\n对\n所以我们之所以叫梁胜\n真的是梁文峰做的这个东西\n自己标备的是六倍定价\n实际上它是很克制的\n是真的很克制的\n其实应该还是有人去搜了一些\n闲散的算力来卖\n对吧\n对\n因为这里面实际上\n我觉得中间有一个差别\n是说你很多人其实用不上\n真正的企业级API的那种服务水准\n因为SLA是要求很高的\n我们说稳定性\n我可能就是好多个9\n对吧\n可能6个9\n但是我普通的伞的\n可能就90%也行\n有的时候有10%时间用不了\n也没关系\n我可以有很多其他伞的能补上\n差不多就行了\n对\n然后这里面的价格\n其实也给很多\n其实中间的做这些平台的也能赚\n也能赚\n对\n这些都是一开始都会想不到\n都觉得脑子都想不到\n因为甚至连一些挖比特币的\n干嘛的\n原来的现在都能够\n其实我比较佩服梁文峰的两点\n一点就是说\n你看他又重新启动融资了\n跟咱上期判断是一样的\n对吧\n就这回我看他新闻说\n中间停了一段时间\n现在又重新启动了\n一堆人都在那什么\n恶手枪性\n就是说这回低调低调\n一定要投进去\n这回又是500亿\n加一起的话1000亿\n这个大手比\n就比有些上市公司的估值还高了\n就是AI相关的上市公司\n估值还高了\n这样一下但愿就有了\n更重要的是说\n团队的信心就有了\n我觉得这点上特别让我配\n问题是他做现金流的能力\n也已经被证明了\n上次我们被全网下架的视频\n别急了\n这期还是我们得意之作\n很多网友说\n这个是拆解DeepSeek\n跟梁文峰最佳的分析之一了\n大家说为啥只能看片段\n我们也没办法\n我们没有办法\n这个过于真实\n但是我觉得上一期\n我们给大家讲完这个事情\n就是说Deep Seek至少证明了\n他今天老子脱了衣服\n想要卖要赚钱\n这个比谁都快\n我现在融你钱\n是给你融资\n给你面子\n给你面子\n是给稳住团队\n你不要以为说\n稳住团队给国家一个交代\n这个事情\n你看你新闻里说的\n就是说这一轮\n就是相当于可能是一家轮\n或者什么\n我也不知道哪轮\n说很多上一轮落选的基金\n都在积极踊跃的争取\n有内鬼终止交易\n内鬼已经被清除了\n太小众了\n当年我们融资的时候\n真的就是\nFA拿了一张表过来\n五六十个基金\n然后打电话\n能感兴趣\n能有十分之一的不错\n然后最终人家能愿意答应\n就有个几个\n人家梁文峰那边是落选\n有一些一手轮落选的基金\n每个安慰奖的\n真的\n给你点份\n给你点给你点\n也怪不容易的\n然后这是第一个\n但第二个我更佩服\n你知道吗\n第二个事我更佩服\n就是说他不去做多摩泰\n当然这个上期我们也讲到了\n就是你知道中国战略里面\n就无论是孙子兵法还是什么\n就讲的一个什么叫\n围三缺一\n就是你不能把三个门\n四个门全围上\n一个手围成的时候\n你得留一个门\n让大家能跑\n然后你就追着再打\n就是我觉得这就是\n围三缺一的一个特别典型的战略\n就是什么意思\n不做多摩泰都赚钱的对吧\n我给其他模型\n留条活路\n让你们做多模态\n让我这边永远不可能完成所有任务\n然后干嘛\n我专心致志去赚我的钱\n你们专心致志去赚你们的名\n咱们别都名利双收\n我永远留下最后一颗铜板\n我反正觉得这是梁文峰\n非常非常聪明的一个定位\n当然能够抗拒这个诱惑\n和抵抗这个舆论的压力\n或者是大家期待\n这太难了\n我不知道老兄\n小松你们怎么看\n反正我认为这是\n梁文鲁特别\n我们昨天才变过这个问题\n就是多摩泰这个事情\n是的\n比如说你编程\n当然老修肯定知道\n编程在做前端\n哪个地方会用到多摩泰\n对吧\n要写一张照片\n要分析什么\n但我普通人\n我肯定不知道\n是的\n我哪知道\n我说你网页给我写着写着写着\n然后我跟你说\n这个黑不是五彩斑斓的黑\n你看不到\n你瞎了\n对不对\n你不知道\n对\n然后他叫了一个第三方\n帮你干\n然後他叫了一個第三方幫你幹了,你還以為是他幹的很錯?\n其實是他本來就看不見,他叫第三方幫他看的,轉述了一下他在幹的。\n那這就是一個很大的分歧嘛。\n我作為一個魔情賞倉,我是像Deep Seek這樣子,我就做給這些懂行的人。\n我就明确告诉你\n我就不做多摩泰\n然后我足够平\n还是说我是谷歌家大业大\n我这个哪怕我要做成Deep Seek\n我也要做成一个多摩泰的Deep Seek\n就全原生多摩泰\n但是这个就是路线的区别了\n派系的区别了\n对不对\n完全战略比较\n对这个刚才贤哥问的感受\n我觉得我得call back一个事情\n就是今天\nJeff Dean离开谷歌的事情\n就是Jeff Dean我估计你们俩不会太熟\n那我要说他几个事情\n你们会知道\nTPU是他搞的\nTPU现在GEMIA的我们叫做什么\n就是他的成本是跟人家领先数量级级别的\n这个东西是Jeff Dean在10年前\n他就预判到了\n这个东西必须得自己做TPU\n才能做到这个事情\n否则谷歌成本会永远被别人牵着走\n10年前他就判到了\n而且10年前已经开始投入使用了\n十年比斯定调了原生多摩泰\n对哈萨比斯定调原生多摩泰\n那杰弗丁这个人再更早\n他是现在Tensors Flow\n现在也一直是\n就是全球最大的\nmachine learning的开源平台\nTensors Flow里面\n大量的机器学习的东西\n都是杰弗丁在里面去推的\n里面有很多的工具\n都是他做的\n就是非常底层\n你就想象一下\n你现在除了大模型之外的\n那些AI的基建\n基本都是他搞的那套基建\n跑他编译出来\n然后他帮你调试\n干嘛优化\n都是他之前做的\n就这两个事情就已经很大了\n他是这么一个人\n他现在出去做的事情\n我的理解\n其实是美国版的Deepseek 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