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這邊我們怎麼看它\n你覺得\n我想這種AI的這種軍備競賽\n就是說這些比較大的企業\n它現在就是說\n一直在開發這種AI的技術\n特別是生成式AI\n因為AI有分兩種\n一種是鑒別式AI\n比較精準型的\n用在產業界或是在醫院那一種\n現在比較流行的是生成CI\n這個部分可能有一些\n可以有創造性的發展\n這個部分到底就是說\n雖然消費者我們民眾有大量去使用\n可是產業界能不能使用\n已經開始進入這種收割期\n到底生成CI能不能有一些真正的營收\n不是隻有泡沫的現象\n所以這個值得觀察\n我想這種Microsoft它收購的\n這個OpenAI\n可能目前來看\n它還是在燒錢的階段\n所以這個部分\n就是要看這些實質的營收\n特別是因為這些大的企業\n它可能不是隻有做\n生日AI的部門\n還有一些\n還有一些比較營收\n都是在其他的這種數位轉型的\n或是雲端運算\n這種裝置的部門\n所以生日AI我們要看這種\n它是不是真的有實質的收入\n不一定是要獲利\n有沒有實質的收入\n所以這次公共財報\n即便它是複數\n我們可能看得出來\n已經有些預期\n然後可能某些會是複值的狀態\n但即便它是複值也不用太擔心\n要看它的實質營收\n是從哪裡來\n然後除了這個民眾之外\n是不是有一些\n它的客戶是不是有涵蓋到產業界\n所以真的要去\n再深入一點去分析它\n不能再盲從\n其實臺灣很多投資人\n都是聽專家講聽誰講\n然後大概有概念\n可能現在不只是這樣\n你要真的有概念\n所以如果這個禮拜來講的話\n是不是大家還是先觀望比較好\n現在要看他的財報\n不過當然會有很多投機性的投資者\n他會先去押保\n不過我們還是要看\n一般的我們這種散戶還是要\n我覺得還是要做一些觀望\n還是先觀望\n不要不能進去出來\n可能就是這個是\n血本無鬼可怕\n因為現在全球的熱錢非常多\n投機性的資金\n佔了所有資金的90%\n所以會亂竄\n所以這個部分就真的是要謹慎\n所以這個安全帶還是戲好了\n那麼另外問到的是\n那央行的部分\n包括了美國 英國 日本的這個央行\n我們知道說像日幣\n日幣現在一直在扁\n那這個利率政策\n會有什麼樣的印象\n我們現在看起來好像\n因為美國大家都預期是9月份要升息\n那英國跟日本感覺上好像是以\n不更動不變動為比較安全的這個看法啦\n那如果像這樣的一個演變下來\n您有什麼特別要提醒大家的嗎\n我想那個各國的樣子的狀況啊\n主要是看美國的部分\n因為美國的新任的這個\n他的這個FED的總裁已經上任嘛\n是 和取嘛\n然後這個部分\n因為它比較是\n過去比較是走這種\n比較穩定物價的一個理念\n就是說看這種物價是不是有波動\n如果有波動\n它可能就要去抑制資金的\n這個貨幣的供給\n那一般外傳它可能\n未來可能會\n因為現在的物價波動\n還有這種美國跟伊朗\n這種戰爭會不會\n造成油價的上升\n這個部分就要去觀察\n會不會再升一碼\n日本的部分\n它已經最近已經升一碼\n已經達到轉期利率\n已經達到1%了\n這個部分\n未來一般來觀測\n因為現在通膨的狀態\n日本已經有趨緩了\n所以它還要看說\n未來的一些是不是有一些\n就是說一些資金亂串的狀況\n它是不是要考慮\n又做一些省喜的動作\n一般來預測來說的話\n它還是會緩步生息\n緩步生息\n因為日本銀行的直田總裁\n它比較是\n一般來看它就是比較平和\n它沒有那麼像以前安倍經濟學\n那種黑田總裁那麼強硬\n所以它還是會\n但整體來講\n我們還是可以慢慢的感覺\n它有生息的軌跡\n往這邊走\n應該是這樣\n因為我想如果美國方面\n如果有升息的話\n日本我覺得他也會去升息\n讓那個利差不要\n這個差距太大了\n當然\n但是現在大家都說\n美國到9月\n會不會有可能\n這一次就先動\n乾脆先動了\n因為美國現在也是兩難\n他如果不動\n他的五年期關鍵殖居\n就要升了\n然後他如果動了\n又會影響到整個的經濟\n所以到底動不動\n真的是兩難\n因為現在的這一個\n兩邊美國跟日本的這個\n這個中央銀行的總裁\n他都比較是\n他們現在講話都比較模糊\n讓你沒辦法拆透\n不像以前他都會\n以前的美國的FED的總裁\n他都會說今年可能會升幾次\n會做一些宣示\n大家就可以先安排一下\n這一位新的總裁就比較\n跟日本的直點總裁很類似\n就比較是像學者的\n他會考慮很多面向\n然後講話會就像某股讓人家猜不透\n不過這也是好事\n就是說讓你這種資金\n投資金資金不會說去壓保\n就是要大家平和去看待這個匯率\n還有一些經濟狀況\n是 是\n所以我們還是先盯緊\n然後觀察安全代表\n我已經講第四次安全帶綁緊了\n這些事情\n好那再來看到\n除了這個目前這些大家盯緊之外\n還有一個是那個輝達執行長\n輝達其實也快要財報了\n這個黃仁勳的動態\n也是大家匪夷所思的\n你看他五六月\n到處去拜訪\n但是那個時候去了韓國\n然後來了臺灣\n但是就是唯獨沒有去了日本\n但是現在他說\n他要去日本\n他去日本了\n對\n但現在日本\n因為一開始\n大家覺得日本被邊緣化\n因為他就是人於客戶的客戶\n又另外一層了這樣\n但是現在是他的地位往上拉了\n在AI這一塊\n我想黃恩勳社長\n然後他有先來臺灣\n臺灣是他最重要的供應鏈\n包括因為他的GPU\n可能要結合一些AI伺服器\n然後他的晶片也是我們臺積電\n幫他做一些代工\n這個部分他最重要的核心的供應鏈\n他要先穩住\n然後再去韓國\n然後再去日本\n韓國的部分可能他\n未來開發這種GPU\n要結合這種機器人\nFysical AI的部分\n可能需要一些高頻的記憶體\nHBM\n所以它跟三星或海力士\n一定要保持友好的關係\n不要斷\n這個memory部分\n日本的部分\n因為日本的話\n雖然說它的半導體\n大家說它的半導體產業是沒落\n可是它在裝置跟材料\n還是滿強的\n特別是材料的部分\n是全世界像一些特用化學材料\n它就佔五成以上\n五六成以上\n這個是蠻重要\n而且日本是\n過去是產業用的機器人大國\n而且現在黃仁勳這個GPU\n他要結合AI去發展\n這個physical AI\n實體性實體的AI\n所謂實體AI就是\n有AI功能的機器人\n就是直接看到成品這些\n日本的話是產業用機器人非常強\n可是現在要轉用到服務型\n像大陸在開發\n那個語速科技開發\n會跳舞跑步這個部分\n那這種需求是比較不明確\n可是產業用的需求\n日本已經耕耘了很久\n所以未來怎麼\n它的這個GPU或是結合\n也來怎麼去應用到\n產業用的機器人\n跟日本的廠商\n發科或是川企重工\n把安全電機來合作\n去開發新世代的產業用\n然後可以轉用到\n服務型的這種機器人\n這個商機是有的\n所以商機也是很大的\n所以現在已經往這塊走\n那他這一次去看了Sega\n而且還特別講說\n他跟Sega的回憶影片\n回憶錄的那種感覺\n因為他說當年Sega的社長\n曾經救過他一命\n看這種Sega\n會不會就是你剛講到\n走到服務端這邊\n更市場化了這樣\n對因為這種過去的話\n如果是這種Fysical AI的市場\n產業用已經非常成熟的\n可是現在要應用到服務面\n或是我們的居家生活這個部分\n其實它的這個需求非常多樣化\n而且量很難預測\n而且都是客製化\n這個部分要跟人接觸\n所以很多機器人要結合AI的時候\n要怎麼去符合人類的生活\n這個部分的確是一個相當大的難題\n未來它的這個GPU結合AI\n怎麼去應用是很重要\n當然日本的話包括遊戲產業\n其實都可以結合\n所以SEGA大家可以注意一下\n是假的\n遊戲產業\n對遊戲產業可以注意一下\nSEGA是日本的領頭羊嗎\n應該這樣說\n虛實整合像那種冷天堂\n就有很多開發很多這種軟體\n皮克名什麼的\n這個都可以虛實整合\n對所以我們就看到了這一塊\n好那看到了這個日本之外\n再回來再請博士跟我們提醒一下\n那中國的這一塊\n中國最近在吵的一個是那個月之暗面\n它這個發展呢就被大家看好\n當然大陸上很看好它\n中國很看好它\n那也說它也投入了很多\n相當大的一筆經費進去做發展\n就是KIMI K3的這個模型\n但這個模型被人家說\n它是蒸餾\n對 因為在白宮講說\n它竊取它們的技術了\n那竊取一開始不就\n中國最厲害就是先從模仿開始\n先從蒸6開始\n是\n那你怎麼看這件事\n我想這種AI的這種大模型\n因為現在大家都說很多是\n生存式AI它有大模型\n也有多模態專用的小模型\n這個部分其實大家都有自己的主張\n我想大陸的話\n像過去有流行的DeeperSeek\n它就是用蒸6的\n蒸餘其實目前很多的一些AI的企業\n它的確都是用蒸餘\n蒸餘並不是不好的事情\n其實它就是基於像這種OpenAI\n或是Google、Gemma這種大模型\n然後它去買它的Token\n然後去把它在這個基礎上\n去發展它的專用模型\n那其實也就是說\n它有沒有跟這些大模型之間\n有一些付費的行為\n那就可能就不會有\n就不會有他講說竊取\n竊取的問題\n大陸的部分\n他目前這個新的模型\n跟DeeperSick有點不一樣\n他好像是2.8兆引數的規模\n好像就是比較\n可能要去追趕\n這個OpenAI\n或是GEMO這種大模型\n這個部分的話\n他沒有說去沿用他\n他的技術\n可能要去看他的實際的狀況\n到底是不是蒸餾的話\n多少應該都會\n應該都會有\n因為他自己就講說\n他是用Ethorpec的那個M3\nK3的模型\n是\n不過因為他開了模型\n可能大家\n可能只有中國大陸大家敢用\n然後其他國家\n他可能還不太敢用\n因為川普要限制他\n對\n因為整個的流程的問題\n這過程的這個合法性\n還是要再想一下\n不過大陸市場也夠他火了\n是不是這樣\n不過未來的話\n大家很多專家預測\n未來可能有一些產業界\n可能是有講未來可能\n只會存在兩到三種大模型\n就是OpenAI或是Google的\n或是主要是美國的才有辦法\n好我們其實博士講得很保守\n但是大家都聽出來了\n所以未來的發展\n大家就直接拭目以待\n我們就看一下未來這個方面的競爭\n會是什麼樣的結果出現了\n但是還是最後一句話提醒第五次了\n這個禮拜安全帶綁緊\n好 非常謝謝魏博士來跟我們分享\n也非常謝謝你收看\n金爆新頭靈\n下回再見 掰掰",
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